SKI 15 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 The peeps who bought them are the ones who run Ryuoo Ski Park and Kawaba. Let's changing. 東京急行電鉄（東京）は２８日、北安曇郡白馬村の八方尾根スキー場など同村と小谷村の計３カ所でリフトなどを運行する子会社、白馬観光開発（白馬村）を、日本スキー場開発（東京）に売却すると発表した。東急グループは１９５８（昭和３３）年の白馬観光開発設立以来、白馬を中心とするスキーリゾート開発に携わってきたが、スキー人口の減少に伴う業績悪化などを踏まえ、白馬周辺のスキー場運営から事実上撤退する。 白馬観光開発は八方尾根と岩岳スノーフィールド（白馬村）、栂池高原スキー場（小谷村）でリフトやゴンドラなど計３３基を運行するほか、スキー場内のレストランや日帰り温泉施設なども運営している。売却は１１月１日付。従業員１２４人（うち正社員７６人）は日本スキー場開発が引き継ぎ、同社がリフトなどの営業を継続する。 同社は日本駐車場開発（大阪市）の子会社。県内で鹿島槍スポーツヴィレッジ（大町市）、竜王スキーパーク（下高井郡山ノ内町）の２スキー場を運営している。 東急電鉄によると、白馬観光開発はスキー人口の減少に伴って売り上げが落ち込み、２０１２年３月期まで４期連続で最終赤字を計上。一方、グループは東急電鉄沿線での事業に注力する方針を打ち出しており、白馬での事業の在り方を再検討する中で、近隣でスキー場運営の実績がある日本スキー場開発への売却を決めたとしている。 東急電鉄は今後、白馬観光開発が実施する第三者割当増資を引き受け、子会社３社が保有する株式も取得。その上で、保有する白馬観光開発の全株式（９５・４６％）を日本スキー場開発に売却する。金額は明らかにしていない。 別のグループ企業が運営する白馬東急ホテル（白馬村）は引き続き運営する。 東急電鉄グループは白馬周辺以外に、上田市でスキー場「ハーレスキーリゾート」を運営。このほか県内では、東急不動産（東京）の関連会社がタングラムスキーサーカス（上水内郡信濃町）や蓼科東急スキー場（茅野市）などを経営している。 Link to post Share on other sites
NoFakie 45 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 It says it in the article, but its the car park people that bought Kashimayari I guess five or six years ago. Anyone in Hakuba will know folk working for Kanko Kaihatsu, so I hope this doesn't affect them too badly. The article says they're being kept on at least. Fwiw, Kashimayari and Ryuo are part of the JTB multiresort pass and Kashimayari offers various discounts to other resort season ticket holders. Perhaps we'll see more flexibility towards link ups from the Tokyu resorts from now on. The JTB pass is cheaper than the Happo season ticket, so I doubt they'll join that. Fingers crossed though! Link to post Share on other sites
oo 1 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Wonder if they have any excite plans, or if this will just be an invisible to customers change. Link to post Share on other sites
frannyo 2 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Don't multiple companies own Happo? Link to post Share on other sites
Metabo Oyaji 71 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 With all these ownership changes, can't help but wonder, if one company doesn't find it profitable to operate a ski area, why does another company think it will? Separately, it is mentioned in the article that Tokyu Dentetsu and Tokyu Fudosan operate(d) different sets of ski areas. Never noticed much cooperation between the two groups before, which seems like it might have been a bit of a lost opportunity. Perhaps the new owners will make some better tie-ups with Ryuo and Kashimayari? Link to post Share on other sites
brit-gob 9 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 With all these ownership changes, can't help but wonder, if one company doesn't find it profitable to operate a ski area, why does another company think it will? I was thinking the same. It's not as if there seem to be any kind of drastic changes planned. Perhaps they are betting on a big upturn in the number of skiers/boarders. Link to post Share on other sites
NoFakie 45 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Don't multiple companies own Happo? Kanko Kaihatsu has only eight of the Happo lifts. All of Iwatake and half of Tsugaike. Link to post Share on other sites
sanjo 2 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 The other part owners not want to buy? The buyers either must be confident of their grand plans, or just perhaps have top much money! Wonder, how much do 8 lifts at Happo go for anyway? Link to post Share on other sites
NoFakie 45 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 With all these ownership changes, can't help but wonder, if one company doesn't find it profitable to operate a ski area, why does another company think it will? I don't know about other ownership changes, but the buyers this time already own other ski resorts, one in the immediate area, so they must have a decent idea of what they are doing. I wouldn't assume they're not going to make changes. As a parallel, some Japanese golf courses have been revitalized under new owners. Golf in Japan got itself into a much bigger bubble frenzy than skiing ever did. Link to post Share on other sites
7-11 2 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 How is Kashimayari doing? Link to post Share on other sites
iiyamadude 6 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 No significant changes at Ryuoo that I can tell in the last few years. Link to post Share on other sites
HeatherLocklearRocks 1 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Doesn't multiple companies owning a resort make things complicated. And slow? Can't think of any advantages to that situation. Link to post Share on other sites
NoFakie 45 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Doesn't multiple companies owning a resort make things complicated. And slow? Can't think of any advantages to that situation. Dunno about specific cases but it can arise from what is now one resort being more than one resort back in the day. In Japan, it seems common for lots of people to own little bits of land. Its not like the UK where one person owns the whole mountain. Link to post Share on other sites
best skier in hakuba 5 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Here's a little Happo history on wiki 1929年（昭和4年）に現在の咲花ゲレンデにスキー小屋が開設され、1931年（昭和6年）には黒菱ゲレンデにスキー小屋が開設された。このように初期には各々独立したゲレンデであったが、疎開でこの地を訪れていた福岡孝行によりリーゼンスラロームコースが開拓された。さらに福岡と五島昇が大学の先輩後輩であった縁により東急グループの資本が入るようになり、白馬東急ホテルや現在の八方尾根スキー場が建設された。 白馬観光開発は、経営不振などを理由に2012年11月1日に日本スキー場開発への売却を発表。同日付で東急グループからは離脱する予定である[1]。ただし、白馬東急ホテルは現行どおり東急グループとして今後も営業予定である。 I wonder which skijo in Japan has the most owners? Link to post Share on other sites
rider69 18 Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 No information on the ground here. Ticket prices need to go up not down. Japan has some of the cheapest skiing in the world. Bascially Tokyu owned the middle of the resort so they are the only lifts open for 4 seasons. This doesnt change the fact that Happo still has many share holders and the voting rights are the same from what I know. Dont expect much to change at least not now with 2 to 3 months to go before lifts may start. Link to post Share on other sites
Slippery Jim 65 Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Lift pass prices definitely do NOT need to go up 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Metabo Oyaji 71 Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Lift pass prices definitely do NOT need to go up Hear, hear. Actually, what is needed is for highway tolls to go (back) down. Link to post Share on other sites
rider69 18 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 When resorts arent making money then prices need to rise. Link to post Share on other sites
SKI 15 Posted October 3, 2012 Author Share Posted October 3, 2012 Most normal people talk from their own point of view, not from the business perspective of the ski resort. So go and ask 100 people if they want skiing to become more expensive, only the people in the business might say "oh yes please". Link to post Share on other sites
pie-eater 207 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 If they put the price up, I would expect a free pie or something. Link to post Share on other sites
rider69 18 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 The average ticket price is too low to sustain the ski resorts as they are. Rising Fuel costs, insurance and depreciation of the lifts. Prices have to rise or else you may loose a resort that you like. Link to post Share on other sites
pie-eater 207 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Let's have a poll. Who wants the price of ski lift tickets to go up*! Don't all shout at once now. No free pies unfortunately Link to post Share on other sites
KlingKlang 1 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Me! I'm extremely excited about the consumption tax increase next year, as well as my income tax going up (the following year?) and on a daily basis the cost of dairy products and lots of other essentials increasing this month. Ski lift ticket prices going up would only add to the fun. I'd go skiing more, that's for sure. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Thundercat 60 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 If prices were to raise I'd just go less, not spend more money. Like the vast manjority of people out there (I assume) I have a fixed budget for luxury things like snowboarding. I completely agree with what MO says. When the highway fees were pegged at 1000Y I went a lot more... Link to post Share on other sites
best skier in hakuba 5 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Ski resorts are going to have to find another way to survive. Putting lift ticket prices up ain't going to work. It will just mean people going less, which probably won't be good for restaurants, hotels and others too. Link to post Share on other sites
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