BagOfCrisps 24 Posted October 28, 2004 Share Posted October 28, 2004 It must be awful, it really must. I can't imagine. How long do these tremors last? Is it like all over in a second or does it go on and on...? Link to post Share on other sites
stripper on coke 0 Posted October 28, 2004 Share Posted October 28, 2004 BoC, it feels like it's going to last forever, but I suppose a long one maybe lasts for 15-20 secs or so, maybe a little longer.......kinda hard to tell, time sort of stands still for bit. Link to post Share on other sites
Yuki's Passion 1 Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 I throught I heard that the mother was dead upon arrival at the hospital?? Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean11 0 Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 Yes, the mother's dead, and the daughter probably is too. She was still in the car this morning, and not responding. It's amazing really that the boy survived. Link to post Share on other sites
grungy-gonads 54 Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 Amazing indeed. Is it just me or do there seem to be much less news of constant quakes this morning? Link to post Share on other sites
7-11 2 Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 This one seems to say the last one was around 6am Sounds like it could be a good sign. Link to post Share on other sites
SnowJapan Admin SnowJapan#Andrew 6 Posted October 29, 2004 SnowJapan Admin Share Posted October 29, 2004 Happily it seems to be much less active today. They still seem to be saying that we might have another big one, but generally things seem to be calming down. That's how I heard it anyway, I hope I wasn't just hoping that's what the guy on the telly said. Link to post Share on other sites
stripper on coke 0 Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 have you guys heard the story about those 3 people in car though. This story is amazing, and not for the good reasons..... Apparently (and this is second hand because I don't understand Japanese well enough, but a very good japanese friend translated for me.....), apparently someone realised there was a car caught in a landslide last Sunday or Monday. The next day, the authorities decided to bring in sniffer dogs. Low and behold the dogs could smell people inside (how else would the car have gotten there, auto pilot ? ? ? ? ?). It was decided to hold off on trying to dig them out for some reason. It was the next day (yesterday) that they started digging.........is it just me, but those people should been rescued earlier. In some countries, the rescue workers would now face manslaughter charges for waiting so long. Also, why were they digging by hand when there is such a vast amount of mechanical diggers in this country ? ? ? ? ? It is a miracle that the boy survived, but, I think the real miracle is actually that the rescue guys made it in time. Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean11 0 Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 You should see the situation before you make judgements like that. The car is buried halfway up a huge heap of freshly fallen boulders and loose dirt that makes the rescuers look like ants. There's nowhere to put an earthmover, and using an earthmover would kill the people inside the car, and likely bring down the rest of the heap on the rescuers. Plus the ground keeps on shaking at Mag 6 while they're working. It's not an ideal situation... Link to post Share on other sites
bcoasis 0 Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 As a matter of fact and observation in addition to actually living in the earthquake region; what Stipper on Coke has posted is correct. Ocean11, it pertubs me that you should suggest someone else 'see the situation before making judgement calls like that' and then you go on to state the impracticalities of effecting a satisfactory rescue. Am I to assume you are on site????? Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean11 0 Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 Dear Perturbed, No, but at least I've seen enough on TV to see why A) they may not be first priority for rescue, not being obviously alive and on the surface, and that digging them out with a back hoe would be a tough one. There's a lot that can be said about how Japan handles disasters (or not), but this instance of rescue seems to have been better than previous ones. I hope you get over your perturbance soon. Link to post Share on other sites
indosnm 0 Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 yeah but guys, Look at how big those chunks of rock and tunnel are from the half collapsed mountain. There is a serious stability issue there and it was right on the edge of a lake so that made access much more of an issue. Altough I for one would have loved to have seen the rescue guys go in straight away so that maybe we could have had a chance at saving the mum and the daughter, but remeber that they were found in the dark with no idea if that place was stable at all, with all those strong quakes still happening something could have fallen or another landslide and we could have had way more fatalities on our hands. I saw on the news last night that the police were not allowing the search to happen ( tuesday night) Link to post Share on other sites
bcoasis 0 Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 Thanks Ocean11 for relieving my vexation by way of clarifying that you are not on site but are in fact among the thoughtful millions tuned to the fountain of truth commonly known as the TV. I was a little disappointed by your reply however in that there was no C). or D). - I have very fond memories of this format for multi-choice questions. I appreciate your concern about me being perturbed in the first instance and although you may now be feeling the same kind of concern about me being vexed and possibly dissapointed. Do not dispair it has passed like a bit of flattulance. Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean11 0 Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 You're onsite yourself then, and would have done it differently perhaps? Link to post Share on other sites
fukdane 2 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Are you "on site" bcoasis? Link to post Share on other sites
indosnm 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 I'm not but it doesn't take a frikkin genious to see that they were F%'king lucky to have even to found the car & for the little boy Yuta to have even survived.(apparently he was found outside of the car under it) But people ot located in Niigata aren't qualified to make that kind of judgement. Link to post Share on other sites
scoobydoo 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Yon-sama Bless him. He's helping out too. http://www.mainichi-msn.co.jp/geinou/wadai/news/20041029k0000e040028000c.html Link to post Share on other sites
mogski 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 I for one do have some reservations as to why there was no search of the vehicle made after the plates had been confirmed that night as belonging to the missing family. However I reserve comment on what was right and what was wrong. Found this on the web re the Thredbo landslide in 1997 in Australia. web page A small relevant to the topic excerpt and some food for thought on the topic at hand: . "Everyone was complaining that the rescuers weren't moving quickly enough," says tourist Mark Dobson, who was staying at the Hi-Noon Ski Club. "But when you see the site, it's bloody obvious. Hurrying would just get you killed." Link to post Share on other sites
echineko 1 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 One day when something like this happen in place like Tokyo it will be unbelievable to think about the disaster. Link to post Share on other sites
veronica 2 Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 This is all very troubling. I'm finding myself thinking about this more and more and can't stop which in itself is worrying. Link to post Share on other sites
nori-chan 0 Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 I hope you are all ok in Niigata. Think about positive side...now that you had this major incident, the pressure is now off from fault and chance of another one in near future is gone. Link to post Share on other sites
joshnii 2 Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 That sounds good, if it is indeed true. I presume (read: hope) it is. The last few days there has been hardly anything, and getting less every day Link to post Share on other sites
fukdane 2 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 I hear you had another (albeit smaller) this morning.... hope all is ok. We've felt quite a few of these in Fukushima too. Link to post Share on other sites
minus 1 Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 I felt them, I was actually in Nozawa that evening. Don't want to experience any more than that for sure Link to post Share on other sites
sanjo 2 Posted November 6, 2004 Share Posted November 6, 2004 Been a while, sorry. What a year this has been hey? Especially for people round here first with the pre-summer floods now with this mess. My town wasn't too badly affected, but got a real shaking. As I said I was in Muikamachi for the first quakes which were pretty huge. Been quite a few since then. Took my a long time to get back home - ended up going via Nagano. My house had tons of things thrown all over the floor when I went back but nothing major damage. The quakes have continued since them basically but today has been much quieter. Now that small towns in Niigata are famous and you all know them.... you know Yamakoshi-mura (the place that was totally destroyed, the natural dams, the cows...). Well I have some really good friends who live there, a Japanese family who really have looked after me. Their house is totally destroyed and might soon be underwater as well just to add to the woe. I also have friends in Nagaoka and Kawaguchi (the shindo 7 place). It's all very sad, the only real consolation being that they are still alive. Link to post Share on other sites
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