klingon 10 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 I see Apple are wanting to get Apps going on computers, not just their mobile devices http://gizmodo.com/5670812/big-brother-apple-and-the-death-of-the-program?skyline=true&s=i Interesting development. I have heard lots about the App Store and how it all works. Can that be a success for computers? Link to post Share on other sites
klingon 10 Posted October 26, 2010 Author Share Posted October 26, 2010 Some of Apple's rules for the Mac App Store are logical. "Apps that crash will be rejected." Apps can't transmit location data without your permission. These make sense. But the rules get real restrictive, real fast: No apps that are in "beta" "demo," "trial," or "test" stages. Apps can't install icons on the Dock. They can't "rapidly drain a product's battery or generate excessive heat." Oh, and "apps that enable illegal file sharing will be rejected." So, no BitTorrent. Or beta apps like Apple's own FaceTime. Basically, powerful programs that reach deep don't fit the mold for an app, even though they can be tremendously useful. But Apple's reach goes further than controlling technology: No apps that "encourage excessive consumption." Apps can't misspell Apple product names—like iTunz. Apps can't look like Apple's applications either. Apps "with metadata that mentions the name of any other computer platform" are out. Apps can't be defamatory or "mean-spirited." (Unless you're a professional satirist.) No apps that replicate pre-installed applications—like Mail. Apps can't portray "realistic images of people or animals being killed or maimed" or shot. Goodbye Call of Duty. No "Chat Roulette" apps. Link to post Share on other sites
NutteyCubey 0 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 There's good things about the control of "Apps" and bad. Android is much more open in that basically there's no review process. But it also means there's more crap out there. Which is best? A touch of both would be good. Link to post Share on other sites
NutteyCubey 0 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 SnowJapan folk - how did you find the process getting yours done? Link to post Share on other sites
NoFakie 45 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 They must have missed this one, or the graphics weren't "realistic" enough. http://iphonegamerblog.com/2010/07/02/super-streaker-pro-iphone-and-ipod-touch-game-review/ I got it when it was free. I only ever look at the "top free" list. Link to post Share on other sites
SnowJapan Admin SnowJapan#Andrew 6 Posted October 26, 2010 SnowJapan Admin Share Posted October 26, 2010 Well, we made our App for both systems and it was very interesting to see the differences. Apple are quite strict - we got rejected along the way - but annoying as it was, I suppose it improved the end result. One of the big frustrations is how long it takes. Once you submit the App, it takes over a week for Apple to get round to "reviewing" it. If you get rejected, even for some tiny thing, you join the back of the queue when you re-submit. So it is not a fast process. We got going on the Android version when the Apple one was nearly done. With Android you upload the thing and it's there online almost instantly so there is no review process. There's more variations in device specs though, so that aspect makes Android more complicated than the fixed specs of the Apple devices. It was certainly an interesting experience, with more than a bit of stress at times along the way. I'm not sure we would have done it if I had known just how much time, effort and resources it was going to take! Having said that, as with the main site updates, the ideas evolved as we started and so what we have ended up is much more in-depth than the initial idea - for example initially I wasn't imagining the maps and the resort or places to stay search etc. So, happy with what we have come up with but not an easy process. Link to post Share on other sites
grungy-gonads 54 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 Originally Posted By: SJ-Andrew Apple are quite strict - we got rejected along the way So you had to take the naked skiers section out? Link to post Share on other sites
@tokyo 14 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 Originally Posted By: SJ-Andrew Once you submit the App, it takes over a week for Apple to get round to "reviewing" it. If you get rejected, even for some tiny thing, you join the back of the queue when you re-submit. So it is not a fast process. That sounds crazy. Why on earth does it take so long? Link to post Share on other sites
SnowJapan Admin SnowJapan#Andrew 6 Posted October 26, 2010 SnowJapan Admin Share Posted October 26, 2010 I don't know, but it does. Each time we submitted it has been 7-8 days before we got the review. We have an update waiting now actually - that was submitted on Friday last week, so lets see when it gets (hopefully) approved. Link to post Share on other sites
BagOfCrisps 24 Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Sounds like they need more staff! What are Apple proposing though - the end of software installing like we have now? Or both running hand in hand? Link to post Share on other sites
grungy-gonads 54 Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Do you need to wait that long even if it is a bug fix release? Seems a crazy long time that. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 I can believe there are thousands of apps waiting to join the money cow. Hence, such a long wait, even for the free apps. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 No control for the Android apps . Good luck. Link to post Share on other sites
grungy-gonads 54 Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 I'm sure there are lots - but a week?! Get more staff! Link to post Share on other sites
loaf of bread 0 Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Does seem a poor timeline that. Over a full week? Doesn't seem to fit with the internet/tech age. PS Thanks for putting in the effort, what you have come up with is really good. Link to post Share on other sites
SnowJapan Admin SnowJapan#Andrew 6 Posted October 27, 2010 SnowJapan Admin Share Posted October 27, 2010 It does seem a very long time, and if you do get 'rejected' it really makes the process very long-winded and disjointed. Waiting a week only to be told that the app needs a really small tweak that takes literally 30 minutes to do, and then having to wait for more than a week once again doesn't seem to be a particularly efficient system. But if you want an App up there, those be the rules so there's no real choice in the matter. You can put in a request for a speedy review, but I don't know how many of those requests get approved. Ours didn't! Thanks for the comments. The large part of the hard work has now been done, so feeling much better about it than 2 months ago. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Originally Posted By: SJ-Andrew It does seem a very long time, and if you do get 'rejected' it really makes the process very long-winded and disjointed. Waiting a week only to be told that the app needs a really small tweak that takes literally 30 minutes to do, and then having to wait for more than a week once again doesn't seem to be a particularly efficient system. But if you want an App up there, those be the rules so there's no real choice in the matter. You can put in a request for a speedy review, but I don't know how many of those requests get approved. Ours didn't! Thanks for the comments. The large part of the hard work has now been done, so feeling much better about it than 2 months ago. yeah now winter's approaching you can get back to sitting with your feet up, quaffing free doughnuts and other delicious bungs from shops in Yuzawa!! Link to post Share on other sites
RobBright 35 Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Came into this thread thinking it would be about how to get the apps to run on pcs.... Link to post Share on other sites
SnowJapan Admin SnowJapan 178 Posted October 27, 2010 SnowJapan Admin Share Posted October 27, 2010 If only, TB!! Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 There wouldn't be much point would there? The apps are made specifically for smaller devices. Interesting to hear about computer version apps though. Not sure that sounds like a good idea. Link to post Share on other sites
SKI 15 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Getting a good response with the Apps, SJfolk? Link to post Share on other sites
SnowJapan Admin SnowJapan#Andrew 6 Posted October 28, 2010 SnowJapan Admin Share Posted October 28, 2010 Yes actually, which is nice after all the effort. Really going into this had no idea how many people would download, but have been quite happy to see that some people have actually downloaded it! At 0 yen a pop revenue though I suppose it will be a long time before we recover costs Link to post Share on other sites
grungy-gonads 54 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Longer than forever, in fact!!! Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 offer some snow porn for 1Yen per download. Link to post Share on other sites
KlingKlang 1 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 I don't think that is possible anyway. There are a number of price points you can choose from, the cheapest for the US one is $0.99 right? Link to post Share on other sites
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