TJ OZ 0 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Originally Posted By: thursday SerreChe, no rude responses at all. I guess those days have gone.... ah... the bliss. I don't see the Hakubans being outraged at the hooliganism that is spreading, be it from Aus or anywhere else, so long as the dollars keep coming. Shame on you for having a go at Mamabear Not outraged as it is not a massive issue here. Thats why we are trying to educate the party tourist. Prevention better than cure. You will never eradicate problems anywhere however if we can reduce them then it is good for everyone. Link to post Share on other sites
Jynxx 4 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Prevention by education is the go. If that doesn't work, educate them by making a few examples, like arrest and deportation. That will sober up most of them whether it's Niseko or Hakuba. Consider it lucky you don't have any Yakuza involvement. Link to post Share on other sites
TJ OZ 0 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Originally Posted By: best skier in hakuba Originally Posted By: TJ OZ It is only just recently that the aussie contingent has found H(the place I'm not meant to mention) We get a lot of nationalities here and this problem spans them all. I hate aggressive drunks. Why are you not meant to mention? Hey, also, I'm interested why you edited your original post - where you originally said "there was no problem in Hakuba"? Oh the underworld politics. Cut it with a knife. Cold blunt one at that. 1)I was cut down earlier for trying to turn this into a H thread. 2)I didn't edit any post here and I don't believe there is a problem here. 3) The politics are someone elses problem. I don't get involved in any of it. Small town stuff. I laugh all the time about it. Link to post Share on other sites
best skier in hakuba 5 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Originally Posted By: TJ OZ I didn't edit any post here and I don't believe there is a problem here. You absolutely did edit the post. I had it on copy ready to paste. I was surprised to see the change and that is why I mentioned it. Please, do not lie. Link to post Share on other sites
TJ OZ 0 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Relax mate and please tell me what I said. I don't think there is a problem here. Link to post Share on other sites
best skier in hakuba 5 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Originally Posted By: best skier in hakuba Hey, also, I'm interested why you edited your original post - where you originally said "there was no problem in Hakuba"? Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 what is the story with Yaks in the ski towns? Do they have a significant presence in Niseko and Hakuba for example? Link to post Share on other sites
TJ OZ 0 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 If you are telling me I edited that out I am not sure why as again I don't consider that there is a problem here. I have only ever edited anything on these forums for grammar. Link to post Share on other sites
best skier in hakuba 5 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 I am telling you that without any doubt at all you edited the post, because I copied what you wrote. So you are deciding to continue the lie? If you consider yourself lying about stuff like this in public just to get out of something to not be a problem, then fine I suppose. Just to let other people reading this know... Link to post Share on other sites
TJ OZ 0 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Like I said, relax. Thank you for copying my post As I said, I am not sure why I would edit it and I don't understand the relevance of you question. If I edit anything it would be for grammar. If I said "there was no problem in Hakuba" then I agree 100% with that statement so I am not sure why I would edit it. Have you been drinking tonight? Link to post Share on other sites
best skier in hakuba 5 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 No, I haven't been drinking and I am fairly relaxed, though deviousness does annoy me. You really are a slippery customer. I suppose people will read and make their own mind up. Link to post Share on other sites
TJ OZ 0 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 By the way which original post are you talking about Link to post Share on other sites
TJ OZ 0 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 crickets Link to post Share on other sites
best skier in hakuba 5 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 If you are ok with lying about things to wriggle out of a situation, what exactly is the point in responding? It's fairly clear if you read the thread. Got to admit though, it's a fairly good strategy you have here trying to muddle and mix things up to try and distract from the fact. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Here the Hakubans are having a really non sensical row about nothing. OK, please have a cigar, Hakuban is a great name for a cigar. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Sorry Derek, please keep up the good work. I will be there in a coupla weeks, and if my face gets pounded, you will hear from me. Link to post Share on other sites
TJ OZ 0 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Get me out of here. You gotta be drinking Link to post Share on other sites
Go Native 70 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Originally Posted By: Jynxx In Japan. You are White and you are going to stick out like I did. But.. You don't speak Japanese - strike one You are not married to a Japanese - strike two Don't have permanent residency and lived there for under 10 years? So only if we speak the language, are married to a Japanese and at least have permanent residency can we be considered a local. Thanks for clearing that up Jynxx Link to post Share on other sites
Jynxx 4 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 At least, that will be quite reasonable status, don't you say? Naturally, some will think that a alien staying temporary trying to preach what's best for Japan. Quite frankly, it reminds me of some christian missionary tact. Fair is fair, but still some people don't get something they deserve and others demand something they don't. You won't survive out of the english speaking community. Link to post Share on other sites
Chriselle 158 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Originally Posted By: Go Native Originally Posted By: Jynxx In Japan. You are White and you are going to stick out like I did. But.. You don't speak Japanese - strike one You are not married to a Japanese - strike two Don't have permanent residency and lived there for under 10 years? So only if we speak the language, are married to a Japanese and at least have permanent residency can we be considered a local. Thanks for clearing that up Jynxx Check.....check....and....check. Hey, I AM a local. Look,, Let's put this to rest..."local" is a meaningless F#$king term. We pay out taxes, our kids go to school, we help out at the annual town festival.... We are members of the community. Link to post Share on other sites
HelperElfMissy 42 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Absolutely! Jynxx, I am sad to hear that you did not feel accepted as a local. Around my parts you would be. There are all sorts of variations in genetics around here - a true rainbow of all nations and every combination in between! A whole plethora of accents too. But they are all locals. Even if they are only local for a 12 month oil and gas contract. Link to post Share on other sites
RobBright 35 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 local? who cares? As long as you try and integrate yourself into the community then yes you can be called a local. In my area, people know me by name and face because I help out and they consider me a local. That's what makes me a local. They don't owe me anything but I owe them so much more. Link to post Share on other sites
Go Native 70 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Originally Posted By: Jynxx At least, that will be quite reasonable status, don't you say? Naturally, some will think that a alien staying temporary trying to preach what's best for Japan. Quite frankly, it reminds me of some christian missionary tact. Fair is fair, but still some people don't get something they deserve and others demand something they don't. You won't survive out of the english speaking community. Well don't know what you're talking about as usual. Personally I'm not here temporarily, I'm here for good. I've bought a house, renovated it and made it into my home. My wife and I had our first child in Sapporo and she will go to school here. I also own a business in Hakkodate and have employed more the 4 Japanese people. My wife and I have been very involved in Kendo and Iaido and have good contacts in the local community through this. We are also involved in the local conservation group and participate in numerous events such as tree planting. Our language skills, although not yet fluent are not that bad. We certainly get by with our daily lives. The biggest issue you seem to have Jynxx is a non Japanese commenting on Japan. After more than 5 years living here I don't believe it's out of the question that I can make some informed opinions about the place I live. Having lived in Australia Jynxx I would have thought you'd understand multiculturalism a little better. For instance I spent many years living in Footscray, a suburb just 10mins west of Melbourbe CBD. There was a large Vietnamese community there. About 90% of the businesses along the main street were Vietnamese and many of these businesses had owners and staff who could not speak english. Many of their customers could also not speak english. If they needed english translation they'd often bring their kids along to help out. They had a whole community set up in which the need to use english was not a neccessity. Personally I loved it, it was like having a little bit of Vietnam only minutes from the centre of Melbourne. These people were defintiely 'locals' of Footscray. A similar thing, on a smaller scale, has happened in Niseko. We have a whole community of english speakers from many countries. It is a vibrant and thriving community of around 150 people who have been here for quite some time and who will be here for long time to come. We come together socially throughout the year but especially once the hordes of winter tourists have left. We play golf, cycle, go camping, BBQ's, have cards, darts and trivia nights, etc, etc. Frankly I feel more part of a community here than I ever did in Australia. This is my home and and if I'm not a local then I just don't understand the meaning of the word. Link to post Share on other sites
RobBright 35 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Well said. . Link to post Share on other sites
gurgle 0 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 I think it is difficult in certain places to ever be treated like a local and therefore feel like a local if you are in a racial minority. Aussie surfers are GENERALLY speaking, pretty narrow minded and quite racist. So I am not surprised at all that Jynxx never felt remotely like a local as he said, "living in a 100% White area". If he was white and had an aussie accent, which he does, it would have been a different story I suspect. Perhaps it also depends a little on the individual. My next door neighbour in Singapore is a born and bred white Singaporean. I am sure she is rarely treated like a local by the "locals", but I bet she feels like one. Anyway, there are plenty of "citizens of the planet" on these forums. Hopefully this whole "local / non-local" thing becomes less relevant over time. I hope it does, anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
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