stripper on coke 0 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Read reports about the england squad practicing penalty licks from the spot. I'm not sure what exactly there were practicing, but it certainly didn't appear to help any........ One thing that does interest me thought.......why is it that the coaches/managers share the responsibilty for losses, and the players take all the spoils for winning ???? I understand the coaches may make the tactics, etc. But surely with the amount of money being paid to the likes of Beckham, Owens, and Co, and the amont of 'professionalism' being talked obout in todays game it must be about time poor results were laid at the players feet for simply not playing like they were paid too. What you do guys think - is it really Sven's fault, or are players more responsible for lossing their games against Brazil in 02 and France and now Portugal as well, after leading 1-0 until well into the game. Personally, I don't think coaches can continually take the balme for all of englands (reasonably) poor performances in the last 10-12 yrs or so..... I mean, at a cost of $60,000,000 (or whatever it is) one should EXPECT Beckham to NEVER miss a spot kick. I believe he has missed his last 3 in a row (coorect ?????). By comparision, if I made a mistake in my (former) $100,000 a year job, there would be hell to pay......surely it time for the players to put their hands up and say (either) 'we weren't good enought, we were outplayed and outclassed' or 'we (the players) just f_c_e_ up' Is it just me, or is it actually harder to be dropper from an international team/squad than what it is to be picked in the first place ??? I'm not just talking about the england football team either, it seems across the board nowadays. Continuously poor performances by established 'stars' result in nothing but continued emdorsements and advertisement campaigns by such stars, and a new coach for the national team........something doesn't seem to sit right..... Still, there is Germany in 06. How nice would it be to lift 'The Cup' on German soil ????? Link to post Share on other sites
giggsy 0 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 I thought we were pretty rubbish once again. We did not deserve to win. Becks should stand down. In fact, as my friend giggsgirl said, most of which I agree with.... We need a new captain. That is not to scapegoat Becks because football players are only human and he has rescued England many more times than the few times he could be said to have `let England down`. Notice I say `he could be said to` because the errors he has made have been few and human. However, am I the only person who sees Becks as somebody who really has imposed too many burdens on himself by his lifestyle? Constant travelling to get more of that ever increasing mountain of money and satisfy his ego and that of his wife in seeing their faces plastered everywhere. I think it is arguable that he is not focused enough because he has tired himself from all his commercial activities. Ironically the captaincy made him worse because it gave him more opportunities to flog products - am I the only person who has distaste for his crass commercialism and overweening obsession with more, more money and publicity? Sven can do a Wenger and huff and puff about wet spots on the pitch but it didn`t stop other players. He needs to relieve Becks of the captaincy, get a player who doesn`t wear himself out money grubbing, and get somebody who knows he is a footballer first and rests accordingly. Get the captain`s role back to the player who regards travelling to get more money from sponsors and businesses all over the world as something that is irrelevant. There are a few outstanding England players who, while they make use of the commerical opportunities offered to them, do not let it rule their life. It is also clear to some of us that Madrid has not helped Beckham`s football. Despite all the propaganda his true skills have been under-utilised in Spain because he was surplus to requirements in the first place and had to play second fiddle regarding his role. It has also disrupted his private life and I think the strain is definitely showing. Is there anybody strong enought to stand up and say that Becks should step down as England captain? I wonder. Let`s not forget Peter Taylor`s motivation in the first place was less about football and more about helping Becks get over the World Cup sending off. Commendably charitable but not what football is about. So long as Becks is captain I don`t think England will win a tournament. Ignore this advice at your peril. Link to post Share on other sites
Honest John 0 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Hi. A good move. Link to post Share on other sites
stripper on coke 0 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Does anyone think Beckham is a truely world class player ??? Even before he went to Real Madrid, in his last few seasons at MU was he really 'world class' ??? Aside from some very good free kicks and crosses, I personally, have never seen anything to suggest he can turn a game around single-handedly as say, someone like Zidane, or Ronaldo or Rivaldo can....hell, I would name the whole Brazilian team as having, individualy, more talent and finesse on the pitch then Beckham could ever hope to have. That's 20 odd people if you count the bench as well........ Credit where credit is due though - does anyone know who his marketing manager is ? They have done an absolutely magnificent job molding Becks 'the commodity'. Perhaps they should also have a go at Becks 'the footballer'. Now, I don't want this to sound like I'm Beckham bashing or anything. Just wondering what some of you other football fans may think with the way this 'star' player has been proving himself lately. Also, many of you have probably seen him play week in, week out for years in the premiership - I haven't seen him like that......... So, who do you guys fancy now to become Euro Champion - France ???? The Dutch ????? Portugal ?????? Link to post Share on other sites
Honest John 0 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 I could go into this in detail, but not time right now (work!). Becks in his day - which I believe is now past - was a class player.... in a different way from the others you quote here. Theres no limit to the number of "world class players". Don't agree with you on the Brazil thing. (Take a look at one of the people on the bench at United this last season for proof of that). His quality pinpointing and set pieces on countless occasions won games for us (us being Manchester United), and as well as that his workrate and dedication to United was top rate. No complaints there. His last season at United saw a dip and I'm glad he was sold for the big bucks. Fergie made the right choice. Link to post Share on other sites
scouser 4 Posted June 26, 2004 Author Share Posted June 26, 2004 I think France will go win it now. Look at that thread I posted last night before the game about penalties. Can't believe it actually happened. I just KNEW we would lost when it got to PK time. And the penalty spot not being clean or whatever is all well and good, but other players seemed to find the target (including Vassell) instead of kicking the ball into the sky . Disappointed again. Yappari. " title="" src="graemlins/cry.gif" /> " title="" src="graemlins/cry.gif" /> Link to post Share on other sites
scouser 4 Posted June 26, 2004 Author Share Posted June 26, 2004 Welcome Honest John .... you live in Wilmslow. Got a house as nice as Beckham-samas? (Alderley Edge, right?) Link to post Share on other sites
bobby12 0 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Lots of finger pointing at Beckham but I think the blame lies with Eriksson`s tactics. As I said repeatedly before, we have GOT TO STOP DEFENDING ONE GOAL LEADS. The reason we lost against France and Portugal was that we got an early goal and totally changed tactics, putting everyone behind the ball and hoping we can hang on to the lead. When we do that, we just give ythe other team chance after chance and of course eventually theyu are gonna pull a goal back. Once Rooney went off, we never came anyway close to scoring apart from Campbell and Lampards goals. Once they equalised, I resigned myself to a loss, as I thought it would take a miracle for us to score. Thus I was not bitter when we lost, as I was surprised we had even held on that far. Yes, we and Campbell got cheated (again) by the referee, but at the end of the day the main reason we lost was Eriksson dispicably defensive tactics. I repeat, we are a world class team, and its time we started playing (tactically) like one, and giving teams, no matter how good their reputation, proper hidings. We showed Portugal and France far too much respect and got punished big for it. Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean11 0 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 bobby12, I hardly ever watch football, but when I've watched England play, that's the same conclusion I've drawn. Always gotta be looking for another goal to widen the gap! Contrary to what Tired Sven says, you cannot defend with a lot of heart. Link to post Share on other sites
scouser 4 Posted June 27, 2004 Author Share Posted June 27, 2004 Quote: As I said repeatedly before, we have GOT TO STOP DEFENDING ONE GOAL LEADS. Of course I agree. But its flippin frustrating isn't it. Every footie fan in the land has been saying the same, every football commentator and manager has been saying the same ----- everyone. It's hardly a minority opinion. So the question is, why the **** do they keep on playing like that???? That just does not make sense, and there must also be something else going on apart from the "ooh, we switch tactics when we get 1-0 lead". They don't defend with enough heart. re: compare Beckham this tournament to anytime pre-02. Different player as others have said. Link to post Share on other sites
scouser 4 Posted June 27, 2004 Author Share Posted June 27, 2004 FRANCE OUT, GREECE TO SEMIS! Wow. Link to post Share on other sites
rach 1 Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 You might not like this Pooldudes: http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,1563,1247786,00.html France getting beaten is cool - Greece deserved to win, just watched the game... Link to post Share on other sites
big-will 7 Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 How does Sven dude manage to keep his job? According to The Sun SVEN GORAN ERIKSSON was warned before Euro 2004 that David Beckham was not fit. England’s fitness guru Ivan Carminati revealed Becks had dropped way below his usual performance level. But coach Eriksson ordered the medical team to get his skipper into shape as he would be playing in Portugal come what may. Link to post Share on other sites
Honest John 0 Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 I wonder if that is true. Sounds like it well could be. -------------------------- Anyway, now for a game of spot the difference. Ready?? Here we go - "You will feel tired at end of a game like that. It does get to players, with extra time and penalties" "You will always be tired at the end of a long season - but you don't let it get to you." Link to post Share on other sites
zebedee 1 Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 An actual quote from Beckham: Reporter: Was Wayne Rooney disappointed to lose his youngest goalscorer record on Monday? David Beckham: No, it'll just make him even more determined to get it back against Portugal. Link to post Share on other sites
NoFakie 45 Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 The worrying thing is that we still make too many errors when playing negatively. I don't know we'd win if we played more positively, because we'd probably make more errors, but the game would be better to watch. For me personally, that is enough. Was Beckham 100%? There was talk of injury before the tournament, but you never know what to believe about him. His deadball kicking was up to the usual standard, but his open play was poor. Mind you, none of our midfielders played all that well. Link to post Share on other sites
NoFakie 45 Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 Looks like I should have posted two hours ago Link to post Share on other sites
Honest John 0 Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 NoFakie Anyone who has been watching a lot of Beckham for many years like me (simply because he played for the team I have a season ticket for!) will know that he wasn't fit. Look at his stomach for a start - putting on the pounds there. That, along with his general decline over the last 2 years and all the bullshit that goes with him. I know what you mean - I just want to watch a good game, not just bullshit defensive play. Now I must get some sleep. Link to post Share on other sites
giggsy 0 Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 Its going to be interesting to see what part Becks will play in the Real team in the coming season... Honest John, where's your seat? Lucky bugger. (Send you a PM) Link to post Share on other sites
stripper on coke 0 Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 Did you guys see this in the Guardian ? "Urs Meier is bracing himself for a barrage of abuse from England fans after his email address was posted on internet message boards. The Swiss referee Urs Meier angered millions of supporters when he ruled out Sol Campbell's 89th-minute header which would have earned a semi-final place in Euro 2004. And furious fans yesterday vented their frustration by posting his personal email address on internet forums." Anyone here sent him a message ?????? Link to post Share on other sites
oo 1 Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 Very childish. Link to post Share on other sites
cheeseman 1 Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 Quote: Traditionally, the referee for the final is chosen from one of the four quarter-final officials. Meier is one of Uefa's most respected officials but may be overlooked in favour of either Anders Frisk (Sweden), Russian Valentin Ivanov or Lubos Michel from Slovakia. How come Collina isn't up for the Final? Link to post Share on other sites
amandanism 0 Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 i hope sweden do well tonight. they have been playing pretty solidly thus far. Link to post Share on other sites
rach 1 Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 Come on Holland! Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuud Link to post Share on other sites
Error404 0 Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 Beckham looks fat. The rumours that Madrid don't give a shite about training appear to be true, though I don't understand how a top coach like Carlos could have let that happen. The crap that Mcmanamanamanamanamanaman was going on about also seems to be true - staying out at all hours without the boss giving you a bolloking the next morning and things like that. Link to post Share on other sites
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