nzlegend 1 Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 big news in the USA - the biggest moral crusader of them all has lept in now with an emergency session of congress that finished on the early hours of Sunday morning to push a new bill through - talk about scoring political brownie points with his core base of supporters. Anyway what do you think about the whole affair?. Link to post Share on other sites
IIIII 2 Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Tell us more will ya? Link to post Share on other sites
nzlegend 1 Posted March 22, 2005 Author Share Posted March 22, 2005 do google news web seacrh on the name Terry Schiavo you will get a 1920 hits http://news.google.com/news?q=terry%20schiavo&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=wn its all there Link to post Share on other sites
mfurmane 0 Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 I think it is an absolute embarassment that Congress has stepped in on this. This has nothing to do with the Federal government...they are overreaching and acting in utter disgrace. Link to post Share on other sites
sakebomb 0 Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 They are just trying to increase their market to the right for life type individuals. Marketing + publicity, the real question is do they really care about this person or their image? Link to post Share on other sites
Yuki's Passion 1 Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 You know what I cant get over is for the past 48 hours Ive been back in the States (Atlanta, Ga.)its nothing but fear in the media. Fear about terrorism, drugs, gays, war, bla bla bla. Americans have gotten dummer, if thats even possible... The media has everybody so scared about the world they live in - and Bush and Co. are the saviors. Makes me wanna puke Link to post Share on other sites
sakebomb 0 Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Bush & Co are more scarier than gay terrorists on drugs. I heard an interesting interview with Moby talking about America and how people are happy to be ignorant and live in fear which is created by their own goverment , scary! Link to post Share on other sites
mfurmane 0 Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 I don't think many Americans are living in fear b.c of ignorance....quite the opposite really. For those Americans that do live in fear (which I believe to be a VERY small number), the fear is probably the result of knowledge. Knowledge of the unpredictability of the world including things like the Japanese maintaining private leprosy colonies. I think the majority of Americans are more "aware" than they ever have been, which is good, but I don't think it's fear. Fear and ignorance are what North Koreans feel....and that is SCARY!! Link to post Share on other sites
wendy-cake 0 Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Quote: Bush and Co. are the saviors What, so you're saying they aren't?! Your shattering the very foundation of my beliefs there! Aware of some things that we are told, not of many things we are not. If that makes sense. (Got a bit of a hangover today) Link to post Share on other sites
kintaro 0 Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 So 78% of this forum (so far) are saying go ahead and kill her. Don't let her eat and drink. Geez She's not on life support. She's simply staying alive the way each of us do..by eating and drinking. She just can't do it on her own. Link to post Share on other sites
mfurmane 0 Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Pretty ironic situation. This woman suffered from various eating disorders throughout her life. I believe it was an eating disorder that weakened her and caused her to fall 15+ years ago. That fall put her in her current vegetative state. Now, because of her parents' religious beliefs and selfishness, this woman has began starving to death 3 times, that we know of, only to have that tube reinserted. That is weird!! Link to post Share on other sites
jared 0 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 Now its only 77% of people that are saying go ahead and respect her wishes. and for the permanant record, if I become a vegi, let me go. (and or fill me full of pot twice daily just incase I am alive in there.) Link to post Share on other sites
Yuki's Passion 1 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 The problem is that her husband wants her off lifesupport; although he now has a new GF and kids with her. He just hasnt gotten the final divorce. IMO, he has no right to take her off life-support. He no longer loves her nor wants to be with her. Her family now has the choice, not the cheating husband. Link to post Share on other sites
sock_monkey 0 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 the cheating husband please, she's been in a vegetative state for 15 years. come on. the fact that he's moved on with his life has absolutely no bearing. if you loved your partner would you want them to stop living just because your life for all intents and purpose has stopped. secondly, the courts agreed that his decision was in line with her wishes. i think i'm going to write my living will now. so the courts need not be involved and my death can't be made into a circus if such a fate should befall me. Link to post Share on other sites
Yuki's Passion 1 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 Quote: Originally posted by sock_monkey: the cheating husband please, she's been in a vegetative state for 15 years. come on. the fact that he's moved on with his life has absolutely no bearing. if you loved your partner would you want them to stop living just because your life for all intents and purpose has stopped. secondly, the courts agreed that his decision was in line with her wishes. Whatever. He has been with another woman for x years and has 2 kids. He has lost the right to have any say about whether she lives or dies. Link to post Share on other sites
sock_monkey 0 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 bullshit, he made the decision more than 11 years ago and the only reason this has gone on is because of litigation by her parents and intervention by the the governor, and now possibly congress. *edit* 11 years not 13, sorry. Link to post Share on other sites
Yuki's Passion 1 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 so, her parents have NO say in this matter? Thats where I disagree with you. I dont/didnt know that she said she wanted to die, if thats true. If thats the case then my opinion would be different. But, I still think that he has lost the right to have any say over whether she lives or dies mate bc hes with another women and has 2 kids. Link to post Share on other sites
Yuki's Passion 1 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 ok, just read a few articles about the case. Not one of the articles gives proof that she wanted to die if she was in this state but stated that apparently it was her wish. If thats the case then let her die. God knows I wouldnt wanna be in that situation either. I certainly dont think Congress has the right to intervene either. Link to post Share on other sites
sock_monkey 0 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 I still think that he has lost the right to have any say over whether she lives or dies mate bc hes with another women and has 2 kids that's ludicrous, he made the decision well before he started living with another woman. furthermore he could've gotten a divorce at any time, yet did not so that he could (remain guardian) and fulfill what he believes were her wishes. here's a quote from a court ordered report on the case: "By 1994, Michael's attitude and perspective about Theresa's condition changed. During the previous four years, he had insistently held to the premise that Theresa could recover and the evidence is incontrovertible that he gave his heart and soul to her treatment and care. This was in the face on consistent medcal reports indicating that there was little or no likelihood for her improvement" Link to post Share on other sites
sock_monkey 0 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 i'd love to give the parents a say, but in this case you can't compromise. he was and is her legal guardian (something her parents agreed to after the accident) Link to post Share on other sites
Yuki's Passion 1 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 I hear what youre saying and agree with you. First I would never wanna be in that state. My parents know that, although I dont have a "will" Basically bc I dont have anything of value!! He has moved on and has/wants a new life, quite rightly too. Which is why all I think is that he shouldnt have the right to be her legal guardian anymore and that the parents should reclaim that. Link to post Share on other sites
Goemon 0 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 Get Your War On sums it up best. Link to post Share on other sites
mfurmane 0 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 Does the husband's legal guardianship have anything to do with this case? I think regardless of who the legal "guardian" is, the evidence presented in court proved that SHE would rather die than be fed through a tube. Assuming this is true, her parents are nothing more than selfish bible thumpers. I commend her husband for standing up for what he is confident she would want. Link to post Share on other sites
sock_monkey 0 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 the legal guardianship, means that he can decide to have the tube removed, the parents have been challenging his guardianship repeatedly in order to prevent that. the courts have reapeatedly ruled that they have no reason to remove him as guardian. they have ruled that there is enough evidence to believe that would be her wish as well. the parents have stated in court that they would keep her alive regardless of her wishes and at all cost. Link to post Share on other sites
jared 0 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 For those that would keep her alive, if the technology existed to keep her the way she is now for the next 300 years, should they do it? What aboout 100 years? 50? should they have even done 15? Link to post Share on other sites
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