joshnii 2 Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Looks like folk with kids will be getting some cash from Mr Govt. But I just saw on the tv an interview with a guy who has 8 children. He has a crappy job, his wife doesn't work and they are there begging for money from the government while she's 4 months pregnant again. I think he should have his balls clipped off myself. (And give me some money). Link to post Share on other sites
2pints-mate 0 Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Just said it in another thread but I bet they are both shit for brains, right? Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 the more the better. Go go go. Try for at least a football team. Link to post Share on other sites
RobBright 35 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 English football? American football? Australian Rules football? Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 How much are people going to get? Link to post Share on other sites
bobby12 0 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 this is in jaapan or...? Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 In Japan....... Link to post Share on other sites
NoFakie 45 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 When it was announced, the morning show with the grumpy guy in the wig had some woman on with four kids of high school and university age saying it was unfair that she would get nothing. For a twenty-one year old! Jesus wept! Link to post Share on other sites
best skier in hakuba 5 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Well, she obviously did her fair share of shagging. So perhaps she thought she deserved it for effort. Link to post Share on other sites
HelperElfMissy 42 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 If you are gonna have them, then you gotta pay for them. I have four and I do not receive anything at all in benefits for them, in the early days we qualified for standard family payment (which years ago was never means tested anyway as it was meant to go to the mother in case the father - the usual breadwinner - was withholding the cash), but even that stopped about 12 years ago before the youngest was born. No flatscreen TV bonus for us when we had bubby - just a big bill from the hospital. But really I think that is how it should be. If you can't afford them then don't have them! The government should be spending the public coffers on infrastructure, hospital staff, adequate policing and such. Aside from a safety net for the unemployed, homeless and destitute - families should take care of their own! Link to post Share on other sites
gareth_oau 2 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I fully support you there MB, however, the argument is that australia's population isnt large enough, and its getting older, so it will eventually implode. The cash hand out is to try encourage a bigger young generation to pay for my pension. My concern is that the bigger the population gets, the more strain we put of the environment. fortunately australia's 20 million population isnt really a problem. Its the SE Asian and Indian populations that we should be handing out free vasectomies to Link to post Share on other sites
Metabo Oyaji 71 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Originally Posted By: muikabochi How much are people going to get? 26,000 yen per month per kid up through middle school. The first year would be half that. Starting June 2010. Whole thing seems crazy to me, but thanks everybody for helping to pay for my kid's lift tickets next year! Link to post Share on other sites
Go Native 70 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Doesn't seem crazy to me at all. Japan has one of the lowest reproduction rates in the world and is facing probably the worst problems associated with an aging population of any industrialised nation. What's crazy to me is that they are not doing more to encourage people to have more kids. Link to post Share on other sites
gareth_oau 2 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 GN, just import them from other nations..... (ask Madonna for a few tips!!) Link to post Share on other sites
gerard 6 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Seems to me, Japan is already paying people to have kids. Was just talking about this yesterday. We get 10,000 yen/month for each kid from the City here, plus 6500 yen per kid from my employer, which is not at all uncommon. Adds up to 33,000 yen / month for two kids. Not bad, but more would be even better. Link to post Share on other sites
grungy-gonads 54 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I'm against it. Perhaps predictably as I have no kids. I'm sure people with kids will be for it. Link to post Share on other sites
Go Native 70 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 My having a kid makes no difference. We get less than an extra Y1,000 per day. This hardly makes a difference to my lifestyle. Whether you are for or against direct monetary benefits to families you must recognise that something has to be done in this country to encourage people to have more children or at least, as gareth suggests, have an immigration policy. Because it they don't then we're all going to be paying a hell of a lot more in taxes later on to support the aging population. Link to post Share on other sites
gareth_oau 2 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 australian government is really pushing compulsory superannuation to ween us off pensions. the latest GFC hasnt helped there, but is super a big deal in Japan? Link to post Share on other sites
indosnm 0 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Gareth, No super in Japan. They pay into a massive pool that will not be there when they retire as it is funding the oldies now. The GFC has only really impacted those that were supposed to have retired or are retiring in the very near future. Sure balances took a beating but the returns since the "bottom" on March 10th have partially restored balances. I think if Japan wants to see a lift in population they need to give some kind of incentive. In Oz public system is free then they get $5k on top of that! I think we paid about ï¿¥400,000 to have our kids. It would have been good if that could have been reduced or subsidized by the Jp Govt to help. Link to post Share on other sites
HelperElfMissy 42 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Seriously - the people who are going to decide it is a good idea to breed more just because there is an offering of a $5k baby bonus and whatever it is a week in the bank account are likely to not put much back into the system into the way of taxes etc anyway are they? That might sound rather NOT-pc, but I am just totally over the Taxman sticking his grubby little hand in the back pocket of small business to fund the welfare baby factory. There are other ways to encourage population growth. Steady growth in jobs and income, stable and affordable housing markets and good schools help. As always provide your safety nets for the less fortunate - but I think the current ideology is creating a section of society dependent on government handouts who believe the world owes them a living. The burden for income generation to fund these handouts falling on people prepared to get up at an ungodly hour and work hard and long. Not right Yes I vote Liberal! Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 no, not the parents. The little sprogs will hopefully grow up to be middle class and into the taxable population. Thats how it works. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 The taxpayers in HK have an incentive to have more babies in the way of tax allowances. on more sprog, $50,000 tax allowance. The grass roots, who do not work or do not earn enough to pay tax anyway do not get this "incentive". Selective breeding perhaps? In a very disguised way. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Singapore even has this on their sleeves. Children of Chinese descent get financial help in the way of allowances and milk money. And darker shades do not!!!. Has it worked? Dunno, hope that island sinks back into the sea where it belongs. Link to post Share on other sites
bobby12 0 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 The cost of child rearing in japan is based on: 1) limited space / high rent (1 or 2 extra rooms = huge % increase in rent) 2) university costs (no student loans system so parents must pay fees/living expenses for each child, also its a 4 not 3 yr degree.) So to encourage a baby boom they should also look at addressing the second point. Link to post Share on other sites
Go Native 70 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Bugger university! I hope my kid grows up to be like her dad, a ski bum Link to post Share on other sites
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