nagoid 4 Posted November 11, 2002 Share Posted November 11, 2002 They surely can't with so few people taking part and the cost of the lighting/staffing, but then again surely woudln't open without good reason to. Anyone any (intelligent) insight? Link to post Share on other sites
cal 6 Posted November 11, 2002 Share Posted November 11, 2002 I've often wondered about that, they never seem to be many people out there and it must cost a bit to keep open. Link to post Share on other sites
jared 0 Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 I'll guess. If your planning a short ski trip and one resort has night skiing and one doesn't. So youll plan to go to the resort with night skiing so youll get more time on the hill. When you get there you find your too tierd to keep skiing and go to the onsen instead. result a more popular destination for an attraction no one uses. Please feel free to tell me im wrong (not the spelling the theory) Link to post Share on other sites
damian 0 Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Jared, your spelling is better than mine and your theory actually sounds pretty viable. Link to post Share on other sites
viv&kev 0 Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Jared that is a fine idea, but whenever I look at a resort at night for the most part there's hardly a soul out there. Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean11 0 Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Could it be that there's no good reason, and that far from being the seers and geniuses that some would have us believe, some resort management have their heads where the light don't shine, Arc lights notwithstanding? If resorts in an area cooperated by having revolving nighters, rather than by all having them, they could cut costs and share the marketing burden. Oh sorry, I forgot, they don't actually market anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
jared 0 Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 who cares how much money the resorts make? I want options - and i get more options if all the resorts are open for longer. It may also be a prestege thing if your resort has night skiing while the crap one down the road doesnt even have it. Link to post Share on other sites
grungy-gonads 54 Posted November 26, 2002 Share Posted November 26, 2002 Another fine comment there from the most prolific of writers. There is no way the resorts can make money on nighta, apart from possibly the large more popular ones. Many of them are almost empty each night. So there must be other reasons for them to do this - like promotion, image, giving the customer what they want (!), etc. Jared, I think in the long run you do care about resorts making some money. Because if they didn't they would shut down ultimately narrowing your options. Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean11 0 Posted November 26, 2002 Share Posted November 26, 2002 Just to be even more prolific... If nightas are what customers want, why aren't they attending any? And why assume that because a business does something that looks irrational that there's a (good) reason for it? Beats me... Link to post Share on other sites
jared 0 Posted November 26, 2002 Share Posted November 26, 2002 what i am trying to say (rather poorly) is that people choose to go to a resort because they plan to ski all day and the nighter, but they get too tierd and leave. becoase of the nighter the resort got a skier to choose to ski at their resort during the day over a field that doesnt have night skiing even though no night skiing occoured - im crap at explaining myself Link to post Share on other sites
miteyak 0 Posted November 26, 2002 Share Posted November 26, 2002 Quote: Originally posted by Ocean11: If resorts in an area cooperated by having revolving nighters, rather than by all having them, they could cut costs and share the marketing burden. Your not suggesting illegal practices are you? Jared, I understand you. People want to go to a resort with the option to ski at night. Most are too tired, but if the resort had no nighta they wouldn't go in the day to that resort. Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean11 0 Posted November 26, 2002 Share Posted November 26, 2002 That explanation sounds implausible to me. As a day-tripper, there's no way I'm going to stay on or pay for a nighter. I can't think of many people who even imagine they have that sort of stamina or commitment. That would then suggest that these resorts are targetting the overnighters. But how many of them are there? How many resorts that have nighters actually have substantial accomodation nearby? All seems a bit unlikely to me. That may be the reason, but is it a good one any more? Link to post Share on other sites
nori-chan 0 Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 I like nighta, sometime arrive in afternoon do nighta and then ski for next day Link to post Share on other sites
miteyak 0 Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 I'm a big nighta fan, and if it's snowing, i'll go all day then all night. To avoid the crowds, i'll often go until two or so, then relax in the avo, then go back to uncrowded night skiing. As for the cost, a few lights, no extra grooming, bita OT for a few lifties... not like opening many resorts on weekdays! Link to post Share on other sites
BagOfCrisps 24 Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 Do lots of resorts over there have night floodlit riding? or is it just a few? Link to post Share on other sites
scouser 4 Posted November 28, 2002 Share Posted November 28, 2002 Quite a lot do, BagOfCrisps - even smaller places. That's what seems so bizarre, so much choice so few people actually doing it. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 I love the nighters. If a place didn't have a good nighter, I would think twice before going. I buy into Captain Shag's theory. They don't make money from the nighters alone but the critical mass of skiers could more easily be reached if there was night skiing on offer. Link to post Share on other sites
SnowJapan Admin SnowJapan#Andrew 6 Posted December 1, 2006 SnowJapan Admin Share Posted December 1, 2006 It's interesting that you bring this thread up thursday, I have just yesterday and today been speaking to a few resorts about this very thing. Quite a few resorts are actually cutting back on nighta and only opening on weekends and holidays when they used to be open every day right through the season. They are losing a lot of money on it and can't justify it (to themselves). I went for a few nightas last season and I remember thinking there was only us and 5 other people (and I wasn't even paying for my ticket!) Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Oh dear, I can't imagine Niseko without nighters. I hope the weekend and holiday only doesn't apply to Niseko. Otherwise, please talk them out of it. Link to post Share on other sites
ghostofwar 0 Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 I do nighters almost every day after work (resort 25 minutes from my workplace). If they didn't offer nighters I might not bother to buy a season pass, as there are so many ski-jos in the area that I'd rather spend each weekend at a different one (since none are really that big). Link to post Share on other sites
SnowJapan Admin SnowJapan#Andrew 6 Posted December 1, 2006 SnowJapan Admin Share Posted December 1, 2006 I'm sure Niseko will be just fine! It's lots of other resorts in areas that aren't seeing those special Niseko-like conditions that are struggling. I remember when I first came here nighta was really popular, sometimes even busy, waiting for lifts. I probably went nighta Monday to Friday all season, it was great. Last year it was spookily empty the few times I went. Link to post Share on other sites
BagOfCrisps 24 Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Not mad on it myself. If conditions are good it is fun but often icy. Though I suppose not in the heaven that is niseko. Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Ishiuchi is easy the best and biggest round here. I went once last season on a Tuesday night, decent conditions, decent weather. No kidding, there coudln't have been more than 10 people out there in the whole area. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Even though it's famous for nighters, I've never seen more than a handful of people at Niseko on December nights. Makes it part of the magical experience. Link to post Share on other sites
Yuki's Passion 1 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Quote: Originally posted by thursday: Even though it's famous for nighters, I've never seen more than a handful of people at Niseko on December nights. thats cuz Japanese dont go out when its snowing Link to post Share on other sites
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