desu 1 Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Wonder what the dudes living in the midst of all that wreckage think? Looks like there's been a tornado hit the place. Link to post Share on other sites
NoFakie 45 Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Wonder where "responsibility" would lie if a kind walked into one of those buildings and it collapsed on them. Mountains tend to be pretty windy, so some of that wreckage could easily fly off and hit somebody or something. You wouldn't have to go very close. Its a disgrace that this happens and the general indifference and inaction in response is depressing. Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted May 15, 2012 Author Share Posted May 15, 2012 Yes very sad. And I can imagine it gets extremely windy up there, for sure. Link to post Share on other sites
Wizz 11 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Bloody hell is there no law making people take down buildings in that condition? Surely it's a safety hazard? I remember seeing a story on the news about this sort of thing a month or two ago. Forget the details, but it seems to be surprisingly hard to condemn and tear down an old, decrepit house. The town needs to find the owner and get their permission. Often the owner does not have the money to tear the old house down, and the removal of a "residential" structure (even if not practically habitable) would cause the tax on the land to shoot up (due to bubble-era anti-speculation tax rules), and the owner cannot afford the higher tax, so they just leave it in shambles. The town really needs to be prepared to buy out the owner (if locatable and willing) to be able to do anything about it. It's a problem everywhere isn't it. There's a right mess of an old building on our road actually, and no-one seems to be able to do anything about it. Looks terrible and no-one likes it. Owner nowhere to be found. Link to post Share on other sites
hellyer 216 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 In many other counties of the world those wrecked buildings would be inhabited by the homeless or squatters Link to post Share on other sites
Wizz 11 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 You sure? Looks like they are about to collapse (if not already!!) Link to post Share on other sites
Sciclone 2 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Even in the inner suburbs of Brisbane, we get houses like that. It's because the owners are asset rich, cash poor, so while the land might be worth quite a bit, they don't have any money to get a project off the ground... Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted May 17, 2012 Author Share Posted May 17, 2012 I don't think it's a case of a project not getting off the ground here, Sciclone. More, the 'project' has been completely mangled after years of neglect! Link to post Share on other sites
NoFakie 45 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Bloody hell is there no law making people take down buildings in that condition? Surely it's a safety hazard? I remember seeing a story on the news about this sort of thing a month or two ago. Forget the details, but it seems to be surprisingly hard to condemn and tear down an old, decrepit house. The town needs to find the owner and get their permission. Often the owner does not have the money to tear the old house down, and the removal of a "residential" structure (even if not practically habitable) would cause the tax on the land to shoot up (due to bubble-era anti-speculation tax rules), and the owner cannot afford the higher tax, so they just leave it in shambles. The town really needs to be prepared to buy out the owner (if locatable and willing) to be able to do anything about it. It's a problem everywhere isn't it. There's a right mess of an old building on our road actually, and no-one seems to be able to do anything about it. Looks terrible and no-one likes it. Owner nowhere to be found. If unlike Granview plenty of people are living where you are, the town should just seize the property and sell it to highest (or least low) bidder on condition that the plot gets cleared up. I doubt your absent owner will have been paying the taxes due on it, so they don't deserve to keep it. In Japan, you can get away without paying your mortgage or taxes for ages before any action is taken. It only encourages places falling into ruin. It also means that the good citizens who do pay their taxes have to sit there are watch their town go to shit because the town won't deal with problems created by people who don't care and in most cases don't pay their taxes. Perhaps we should remember this the next time some amateur Japan watcher comes out with "nail that sticks out gets hammered down" line. Link to post Share on other sites
SKI 15 Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 Good points Mr Wiggles indeed. Positives though, folks! The diggers are in, preparations are being made! Link to post Share on other sites
grungy-gonads 54 Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Where's that gondola going again? Link to post Share on other sites
Mick Rich 78 Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 This place just gets better! Yes, it's sad to see those buildings in that state and makes me a little worried about the safety of the lifts, etc but overall, it just makes me want to go there even more! I hope the gondola doesn't ruin the oldy worldy feel and charm of the place!! & I'm also thinking I should try to buy one of those buildings/plots so that I can finally have a ski-in/ski-out place of my own! Thanks for posting the pix Muika! Link to post Share on other sites
Metabo Oyaji 71 Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 & I'm also thinking I should try to buy one of those buildings/plots so that I can finally have a ski-in/ski-out place of my own! Go for it, Mick Rich! I'm sure you'll find a willing seller. Mt. Granview: Catch a Whiff!TM Link to post Share on other sites
best skier in hakuba 5 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Mich really is a true fan. Link to post Share on other sites
Wizz 11 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Where's that gondola going again? The original "bubble" plan was from Shibuya to Mt Granview, but they have since re-thought it to be a still mega gondola going from Ishiuchi Hanaoka to Mt Granview, if I remember correctly. Link to post Share on other sites
Mick Rich 78 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 And I hear that it's going to be called the Paradise Alley Gondola! Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 Mich really is a true fan. But he does really need to actually go there! Link to post Share on other sites
Mick Rich 78 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 All good things come to those who wait! Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 I'll let you off. I know you'll be there next season. Link to post Share on other sites
surfarthur 22 Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 With the extensive terrain on offer, he won't need to go anywhere else Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted May 22, 2012 Author Share Posted May 22, 2012 Absolutely! Goes without saying. Link to post Share on other sites
@tokyo 14 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 I have never seen this place of course or even heard of it before you posted about it but it is very interesting. Got to wonder what the books look like for a place like this. Link to post Share on other sites
grungy-gonads 54 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Sounds like the girl in the ticket booth probably has some books to read.... Link to post Share on other sites
hellyer 216 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 I have never seen this place of course or even heard of it before you posted about it but it is very interesting. Got to wonder what the books look like for a place like this. Link to post Share on other sites
LiquidX 0 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Just watch that thing shoot right up next season! Link to post Share on other sites
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