HelperElfMissy 42 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Originally Posted By: bobby12 I would like to see some kind of 'licence to have kids' where people take a test in order to be able to have more than 2 kids. In China they had the one child rule, and the UK now forces foreign spouses to take a ridiculous Life in the UK* test, so I do not see why we cannot implement this kind of restriction on people. If they have 3 kids without a licence, withhold their benefits etc like China did. * it is so hard, questions about the royal family and minor home counties etc, I would not be able to pass it myself without memorising the book. Hard to see that ever becoming a reality (much as I think it would be a good idea) However you could do it financially. Say... any child born to a parent on welfare more than 12 months after commencing welfare (removes the question of 'but I was preggers before I went on welfare' is ineligible for welfare support. Provide with the savings FREE birth control pills and FREE condoms to welfare recipients. If someone has kids and life deals them a nasty blow - they qualify - but breed more..sorry! I think it would work to some degree. Link to post Share on other sites
BagOfCrisps 24 Posted August 10, 2011 Author Share Posted August 10, 2011 Originally Posted By: JA What else do you expect from a country that invented a "game" that takes 90 minutes (plus injury time)to produce a result - or MORE PROBABLY no result at all - with a maximum score of 20 points Do you think thats a particularly appropriate comment JA? Oh. And by the way, what game's that then? Link to post Share on other sites
big-will 7 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 I bet JA likes darts. You can 'score' 60 with each throw. Loadsa points. Link to post Share on other sites
BagOfCrisps 24 Posted August 10, 2011 Author Share Posted August 10, 2011 Incidents reported in Salford, Wolverhampton and in London apparently so far this evening though nothing that seems major so far. Lets hope things can be calmer tonight, though I'm not sure how confident I am of that happening. Life in central London was pretty much as normal today. Link to post Share on other sites
2pints-mate 0 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 BBC Quote: 1806: Greater Manchester Police say a Wigan man has been arrested on suspicion of using social media to incite violence. Surely not you pie-eater? Yes fingers crossed. But you got to think numbskulls will be up for more. Link to post Share on other sites
pie-eater 207 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Haha, no not me. I might be silly but I'm not stupid and not a thug. Very distressing to see all of this. Incidents in Salford and Manchester this evening. Up until now though it doesn't seem to be on the scale of what we saw last night and lets just hope it stays that way. Link to post Share on other sites
Mantas 3 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Originally Posted By: panhead_pete The Youth of the Middle East rise up for basic freedoms. The Youth of London rise up for a HD ready 42"Plasma TV If their parents can't teach them respect and moral decency then it's time the state did. I blame these civil libertarians and a censorship system that allows a basic free for with porn, violent video games, movies and music. This might sound draconian but look at where we are at. Total anarchy! Link to post Share on other sites
pie-eater 207 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 That's what it is, just 'opportunistic looting' as they are calling it. You know, just like all that violence and looting in Japan after March 11th when the thugs had that opportunity. Oh. Link to post Share on other sites
pie-eater 207 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Up until now London is apparently quiet. The mindless madness of yesterday seems to have shocked people who might otherwise have just continued 'hating the police'. Not sure why people do that in the first place, other than it perhaps being dead cool. Something almost good might come of it in the end after all if commumities come together more than they have until now. Link to post Share on other sites
pie-eater 207 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Forgive the language ladies and chidren. Link to post Share on other sites
big-will 7 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Boy of 11 arrested in London I just heard. WTF. Does seem to be much quieter tonight.... perhaps they are all enjoying their plasma tvs and new ps3s. Link to post Share on other sites
Mantas 3 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 " It's all about having fun and showing the police that we can do what we want" A comment from a young female looter interviewed. WTF is going on in these young people's heads! Link to post Share on other sites
BillTheBinMan 0 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 What's the deal with that Boris Johnson dude? He gives the air of an eccentric nutty professor type! Link to post Share on other sites
RobBright 35 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Originally Posted By: Mantas Originally Posted By: panhead_pete The Youth of the Middle East rise up for basic freedoms. The Youth of London rise up for a HD ready 42"Plasma TV If their parents can't teach them respect and moral decency then it's time the state did. I blame these civil libertarians and a censorship system that allows a basic free for with porn, violent video games, movies and music. This might sound draconian but look at where we are at. Total anarchy! Classy - blaming porn, violent video games, movies and music. Link to post Share on other sites
@tokyo 14 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 It's all Pac-Man's fault! And the police, of course. Link to post Share on other sites
minus 1 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Hey just an observation but in all the footage I see I'd say 75% of the people rioting are black. Link to post Share on other sites
Mantas 3 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Originally Posted By: Man_In_Japan Originally Posted By: Mantas Originally Posted By: panhead_pete The Youth of the Middle East rise up for basic freedoms. The Youth of London rise up for a HD ready 42"Plasma TV If their parents can't teach them respect and moral decency then it's time the state did. I blame these civil libertarians and a censorship system that allows a basic free for with porn, violent video games, movies and music. This might sound draconian but look at where we are at. Total anarchy! Classy - blaming porn, violent video games, movies and music. So what would you say is the main influence on young people's minds these days when there's total parental moral vacuum? Norwiegan killer Anders Behring stated that his MAIN training to carry out his klllings came from an extremely violent video game. I not blaming video games, music etc. directly. That would be ridiculous. It's all part of a cultural attitude of' I don't give a F$&k 'and authorities are reluctant to intervene in fear of encroaching on people's civil liberties. Link to post Share on other sites
RobBright 35 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Their peers. Link to post Share on other sites
ippy 66 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 opportunism, excitement, the feeling that the police are overstretched and they can get away with it. Thats really where this is. What makes it riveting is that its not just tottenham, and then not just london. Theres a very strong pattern, which does suggest a very strong underlying cause of this. im sure the next few months will be a time of great hand wringing and a search for these motives They probably wont be looking at video games... well not until they look at aspirations, poverty, relative opportunity, access to facilities, community relations, policing, family, schooling and everything else you have to look at on sink estates. THEN and maybe only in the daily mail, they might have a look at video games and violent movies. Link to post Share on other sites
bobby12 0 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 I predict that this was organised by someone or some group. What is needed is 'a tipping point' (I guess many of you have read the book), ie. that first act of vandalism in the day to kick it all off. I think someone is creating these tipping points around the UK by getting their gang members or whoever to start incidents, and then use the crowd-effect to recruit a small army for free to protect you while you target the mobile-phone shops etc. In other words, I think either gangs or possibly anarchist groups are kick starting incidents in order to use the ignorant crowd (kids etc) as a shield while doing crime. Somebody has to do that first vandalism act of the day, from there it all kicks off. And someone has to rally people into the one spot to congragate. Link to post Share on other sites
Mantas 3 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Quote: They probably wont be looking at video games... well not until they look at aspirations, poverty, relative opportunity, access to facilities, community relations, policing, family, schooling and everything else you have to look at on sink estates All but a handful of countries in the world have these issues. So what inspires these UK kids to behave with such disrespect and violence? Link to post Share on other sites
ippy 66 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 You realise that hurts your position much more than it helps it? PS, its curious that you missed the entire rest of the post that addressed that very question in the first sentence. But ill throw it out again: opportunism, excitement, the feeling that the police are overstretched and they can get away with it. Thats really where this is. Link to post Share on other sites
pie-eater 207 Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 That is what it is. Coupled with the sad fact that these people think that that is acceptable behavious. Which really is the scary part. Unbelievable. Link to post Share on other sites
pie-eater 207 Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 I read that a boy aged 9 was involved in looting last night. Does that just beggar belief or what. Link to post Share on other sites
HelperElfMissy 42 Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Originally Posted By: pie-eater I read that a boy aged 9 was involved in looting last night. Does that just beggar belief or what. Heard that myself today. At 9yrs old I was playing with Barbies and baby doll's. My youngest at 9yrs old was rarely let go out without me even in the company of his older brothers - and the older ones at 9yrs old were lego playing little kids. So sad. Where is their childhood? Link to post Share on other sites
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