alexx_c 0 Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 The New York Times reports on the 25th September that "Japan Airlines pleaded on Thursday for a government bailout, but the country's new transport minister withheld support on concerns that the carrier's cost-cutting plans would not go far enough... Japan Airlines, weighed down by $15 billion of debt and headed for its second consecutive annual loss, is being wooed by Delta Air Lines and a rival group led by American Airlines, which are offering capital in return for closer business ties... The transport minister, Seiji Maehara, met with Mr Nishimatsu on Thursday. He reiterated that de did not want the airline to go bankrupt but said he was not ready to approve a request for the state to prop up the carrier by buying shares" ... Now ... this has made my holiday a lot more difficult !?! Link to post Share on other sites
alexx_c 0 Posted September 28, 2009 Author Share Posted September 28, 2009 A travel insurer has already carved out coverage for JAL's ticket purchased from today. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 The gov has said that JAL must not be allowed to fail. Link to post Share on other sites
NoFakie 45 Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 They're supposed to be stopping all their flights from Matsumoto, obviously including the one to Sapporo, but no-one else uses the airport and there'll be a fight to keep it open. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 I would imagine that would affect a lot of Nagano people's livelihoods should that close. Link to post Share on other sites
alexx_c 0 Posted September 29, 2009 Author Share Posted September 29, 2009 Anyone else in Oz, been getting negative feedback about this topic? One agent has already advised me to book with other airlines unless I sign a disclaimer! Under normal circumstances should the airline fold, then the travel insurance should cover the lost monies paid, right? Anyone take out the QBE insurance with snow cover? I wonder if they will have a policy change soon too? Link to post Share on other sites
skidaisuki 0 Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Don't let this influence anyone away from taking the necessary insurance precautions, but I would be AMAZED if the Japanese government were to let JAL fail, especially because it's a new administration. They certainly wouldn't let it go down just to spite the outgoing LDP. Too many jobs, and far too much national pride, are at stake. Whether they'll be able to find a long-term solution to JAL's pension deficit and rather obvious operational / management problems is another matter entirely, though... SdS Link to post Share on other sites
Slippery Jim 65 Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Very much doubt it will affect ski season, except perhaps for those looking to fly to Sapporo from regional Japanese airports that have been huge money drains for JAL (and taxpayers). Just booked (provisionally) trips to Furano in late December and Niseko in early January, both on JAL, and have no qualms at all about it. Link to post Share on other sites
NoFakie 45 Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Originally Posted By: thursday I would imagine that would affect a lot of Nagano people's livelihoods should that close. More of a white elephant I think. The three scheduled flights didn't fly every day. Built as a status thing I suppose. Its more convenient to drive or shared taxi it to the main airports. Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Quote: The three scheduled flights didn't fly every day How come Mr Wiggles? Link to post Share on other sites
bobby12 0 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Its like Kobe airport - absolutely stupid idea that no-one wanted except a few corrupt oyajis with power. Its 50mins to kansai airport on the bus from downtown kobe, 30mins on the ferry! My feeling about these kinds of business is: let them fail. Link to post Share on other sites
shadowtec 0 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 are there any low priced carriers in Japan like jetstar or virgun blue is to aus ? Link to post Share on other sites
Ezorisu 0 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Originally Posted By: shadowtec are there any low priced carriers in Japan like jetstar or virgun blue is to aus ? There's AirDo that runs from Hokkaido to various major cities, but no real nationwide discount carrier. Link to post Share on other sites
NoFakie 45 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 The Matsumoto flights are only scheduled for certain days of the week. An article today said the Osaka-Matsumoto flight operates at less than 40% full. No surprise there, I suppose. It also said 90% of JAL's domestic flights fail to break even. Break even is 70% full. Once the highways are free, this will only get worse. Link to post Share on other sites
shadowtec 0 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I went up on a almost empty 747 but the smaller plane I took on the way back (767 I think) was packed. I wonder how a jetstar or virgin blue would do up there ? (remembering what virgin did for AUS airspace once they took root) Link to post Share on other sites
alexx_c 0 Posted October 8, 2009 Author Share Posted October 8, 2009 Interesting insight Mr Wiggles. Despite my initiation of this post ... I've already paid my airfare to JAL ...four months in advance of my departure... all $4.7K of it ... for my first family ski holiday to Japan. So, if anything I'm contributing to JAL staying afloat.. :-) p.s. Shadowtec... I've seen on another posting at least two other domestic airlines ... just can't remember the names. Link to post Share on other sites
HelperElfMissy 42 Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 ANA is one. Link to post Share on other sites
Ezorisu 0 Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 ANA is the second largest carrier to JAL. JAS (Japan Air System) is the third largest carrier. Skymark Airlines is another discount domestic carrier. Link to post Share on other sites
Slippery Jim 65 Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 JAS no longer exists; it was taken over by JAL several years back. Skymark & Air Do are available to Hokkaido. Link to post Share on other sites
minto 0 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I don't think Japanese goverment would let JAL failed .... and they would not let American or Delta took it as well. I flew 20+ JAL flight both domestic & international since I moved to Japan last year.... I loved JAL. Take take four ANA flight but not comparable to JAL. Don't failed please... Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Why do you love them minto? Link to post Share on other sites
minto 0 Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Never experienced any delayed JAL flight (most of my trip itenary's tight so if any delay happens then it screws my iternary). More airports than other Japanese Airline it serves. Hostess's cute and does care passenger. There's once I have to take a flight to Bangkok when I'm sick .... they always come to check me. Award ticket also uses less mileage than ANA and star alliance. Anyway, I do not love everything ... in someway JAL's too Japanese .... for example, landing preparation time is normally 30-40 minutes while some airline like Thai mostly 15-20 minutes. (Imagine if you take several flights a week how much you would hate sitting with belt fastened.) Any idea on comparison vs ANA ?? Link to post Share on other sites
HelperElfMissy 42 Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Originally Posted By: minto ....Imagine if you take several flights a week how much you would hate sitting with belt fastened.... Seriously...if you are seated you SHOULD have your seat belt fastened anyway. There is a lot of unforeseen turbulence that can cause you to hit the roof of the airplane - if you travel a lot, the chances only go up that you will have an experience like this at least once. No warning - just a sudden drop and you smash your head into the overhead lockers - head, face, neck and spine injuries are the most common. Unrestrained babies are most at risk - the baby belts are not very comfortable for them - especially on a long haul flight. So I used a Mai Tai sling to keep mine attached to me whenever possible. I usually only take my seat belt off to visit the bathroom/ or get up to let someone else out to visit the bathroom. Link to post Share on other sites
LiquidX 0 Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 I keep mine on as well, often think it's useless but reading what you just said.... Link to post Share on other sites
tripler 0 Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 I usually try to get away with not wearing one on take-off or landing. If the plane crashes you're probably going to die anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
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