powwwers 0 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 How long 'til we see the presence of Neanderthal bouncers up there? Once that happens we might as well all give up! Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Already have Neanderthal guests, just ask some to stand at the door for a free pint. Link to post Share on other sites
JA2340 16 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Sounds like a typical government job, no matter where in the world! I do not envy you the cr@p, but there MUST be some compensations, else nobody would be interested. As I mentioned, I'd be interested in a placement as liaison, currently limited nihongo but years of experience as a teacher and an understanding of how people operate. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 He can be liaison for the Aussie pensioners. "here you go love, park your wheelchair here darling. " "forgot to bring you dentures? Here you go , use mine" Link to post Share on other sites
powwwers 0 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Originally Posted By: thursday Already have Neanderthal guests, just ask some to stand at the door for a free pint. hahaha Nice and true. Just goes to show doesn't it, change isn't always for the good/better. That is one of the true great things about Japan- no security, dress code etc. when you go out. All of my family & friends are amazed at that when they come for a visit. "Will I get in without a collar?" "Are these shoes (read thongs) okay?" Just a matter of time... and when that happens (bouncers) that will only bring MORE troble, fights, fisticuffs etc. Sad days indeed. Link to post Share on other sites
D train 0 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 And thats what we are trying to avoid- though after a meeting today with my bosses and some of the J-powers that be around here, I dont have much hope to any forward progress on how things will operate here in the near future. The tourism board here has been slashed to the bone as of this spring, and those that remain are solidly in the " 3-5 years to retirement-If I can`t photocopy it on the way to the smoke break room- it ain`t happening" school of thought. As for the Neanderthal bouncers thing, you obviously haven`t seen my mug in person- sadly I am about as Cro-Magnon as they come- a small Japanese family is considering subleting the space created by my forehead overhang. Link to post Share on other sites
Mantas 3 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 How is it that when some westerners get drunk they get violent and the Japanese don't? Or is that not a true statement? Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Visit any other bar in Japan and you will see bouncers. Link to post Share on other sites
BagOfCrisps 24 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 No bouncers at all in any of the bars and places we went in on our trip. Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Ok lets rephrase this cause no matter what I write people will dis-agree. You go to any bar in Japan that routinely gets 50 to 200 people on a big night and they have security staff. Japan is not oblivious to the problems of alcohol. To think otherwise is to be living in a dream world. Link to post Share on other sites
Yuki's Passion 1 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Originally Posted By: D train uhh... before you get dream job thoughts running through your head- I work for the JAPANESE government - which means... 6 days a week 9 hours a day shifts that usually end around 2 am meetings and appointments during non working hours which I am required to attend. 80 and even 100 hour weeks during the busy Xmas and CNY seasons. Daily dealing with Japanese pension and business owners who view me as the sounding board to all their grievances with the gaijin Foriegners who see me as the face of "the man" and call me at all hours with whatever issues at hand. perhaps the smokiest work enviroment on the planet outside of a chimney sweep having to write daily logs and reports for every .single. person. that walks through the door.In Japanese. Then log this info into a computer data base that will probably never be read.ever. all for the princely sum of 200,000 yen a month - or roughly 4/5ths of what a fresh off the boat english teacher makes for 3-5 class hours a day. This is a labour of love- I think if youy did a ask round of most of the Niseko locals on this forum you would find most of them think my job is kinda cool and kinda interesting- and all of them would give a polite " thanks but bugger that" if you asked them to do it. thanks for sharing that. I can relate to what your work is like being somewhat in the same boat (but as a full-time teacher). I love my students here at my school, my homeroom kids, and all my classes are a joy to be in/teach. The kids are the main reason why I work like a dawg - and my mates such as Fattwins and Bushpig just shake their head at what I do. But, I get paid quite well. If you cut my salary down to 20man/month, or change my students to the last school I was at with my current work load, and I would quit. It seems like you really enjoy what you do D-train, but if its THAT much work, why would you only do it for 20man/month? I think it'd be pretty cool if SJ did an interview with you - thats one Id like to read Link to post Share on other sites
powwwers 0 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Originally Posted By: Fattwins Ok lets rephrase this cause no matter what I write people will dis-agree. You go to any bar in Japan that routinely gets 50 to 200 people on a big night and they have security staff. Japan is not oblivious to the problems of alcohol. To think otherwise is to be living in a dream world. I haven't been to Hokkers for a couple of years now but last time I went there weren't any places that would have accommodated those numbers (well easily and routinely anyway). You're right though, there are some places that have security. No one is suggesting that Japan is oblivious to the problems of alcohol but the places that I frequent have no visible sign of security. That surely says something about Japan and the culture of going out to bars/cafes/nightclubs and the direct correlation with fisticuffs? Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 There are no bouncers or (visible) security in any of the bars and clubs in Muikamachi. Link to post Share on other sites
Yuki's Passion 1 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 city bars vs inaka bars are quite different. you cant compare where you live with the likes of Roppongi Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Oh right, so it's not actually "visit any other bar in Japan and you will see bouncers" or "any bar in Japan that routinely gets 50 to 200 people on a big night and they have security staff" then? Got it. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 sarky? Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Only ever saw bouncers in bars in the big cities. Not really hung out at bars around the slopes as I usually do day trips, the one in Naeba didn't appear to have bouncers and the one in Myoko was the same, but there were a lot of locals hanging round so maybe they double up as punters and bouncers when the need arises to help their mates. Obviously up in Tokyo there are many places that employ doorstaff Link to post Share on other sites
stemik 14 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 i never remember the bars around Shinjuku having bouncers. I guess the clubs would have them Link to post Share on other sites
Jynxx 4 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 No need, If it really gets out of trouble the professionals (Yakuza) comes in. Roppongi and Shinjuku have Yakuza office. I had been an interpreter and teacher in Japan and trained staff security situations at Shinjuku discos. Most of the problem was military and ex-military. The problem can be solved when lift tickets can be bought with ID (passport) only. You cause a problem, no more lift tickets. If that doesn't stop, deportation on one's own account. Simple. Link to post Share on other sites
powwwers 0 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Originally Posted By: Creek Boy city bars vs inaka bars are quite different. you cant compare where you live with the likes of Roppongi What if I live in Roppongi?????? Maybe I've missed something here, but I thought this post was about Niseko, which is pretty much 'inaka' in most peeps books. I'm with the Mster, I got it! I'll say it again bcos it seems to be getting a little off track but the day (and its not too far away) bouncers start to have a presence in bars in snow towns, is the day we know that things have changed for the worse. I might go to facebook and start a group- "Say NO to bouncers in Snow Towns." lol Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Pow 52 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 I guess it's a matter of perspective. A "bouncer's" role could be perceived to be throwing out trouble makers. Or his/her roles could be to: offer a genuine welcome to guests on their arrival check that the patrons enjoying the bar / restaurant / club are of age check that the patrons are not intoxicated prior to their admittance refuse addmittance to known trouble makers help bar staff in clearing empty glasses to make the customer's experience better diffuse any unfortunate situations before they get out of hand help patrons with the booking of taxis help patrons with directions to other establishments and / or their accommodation recognise when someone needs help getting home wish patrons a genuine goodbye Link to post Share on other sites
JA2340 16 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 And all of that while trying not to look like a refugee from the ape house at the zoo, keeping knuckles off the ground and suchlike. Interesting perspective on the role of "bouncer". Probably better described as door security (and a far nicer sounding name too!) Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Pow 52 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Prefer Maitre d'. But one that used to be in the French Foreign Legion Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 So by proactively putting or adding security to growing communities not dying ones we are killing culture? This makes no sense. There are growing communities that need to address these issues of keeping people safe. Walk into the local inaka police office speaking zero Japanese and see what happens. proactive thinking solves problems before they happen or at least mitigates the situation. Bars that are experiencing growth have to grow as well. Link to post Share on other sites
JA2340 16 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 agree, FT. (OMG I can't believe I wrote that! ) There is a need for the more popular bars etc to make some provision for the likelihood of rowdy patrons, else the rest will stay away. Link to post Share on other sites
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