1 4 Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 OK so the new Japanese cabinet (?) has been announced and the new guy at houmu-sho (?) made his first talk about how he is going to battle youth problems and gaikokujin hanzai (foreigner crime). He didn't seem to mention the crimes committed by Japanese. What I want to know is - is there a huge amount of crime by foreigners here, totally out of proportion with that done by natives of this lovely land? Link to post Share on other sites
spook 0 Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 well, everyone on SJ seems to love poaching off piste lines, so let's hope he doesn't start there Link to post Share on other sites
soubriquet 0 Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Soubriquette is firmly of the opinion that a disproportionate amount of crime is committed by foreigners, and that they tend to be crimes of more violent nature. I don't know what the figures are, so I won't comment. She does exclude educated westerners from her criticism though, so that excludes this demographic, and me. Phew Link to post Share on other sites
indosnm 0 Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 hogswash Link to post Share on other sites
gerard 6 Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Zenophobia to an extent but I do think there's a lot of foreing theft. That's what happens when you rely on cheap illegal foreign labour when times are good, then fire them when things go sour. Unemployed with no identity. It's about theft and drugs though, not violence. If they want to turn things around they could provide more language and academic support for immigrant worker's children in the public school system among other things. Link to post Share on other sites
Go Native 70 Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Certainly in Niseko about the only time of year you have to worry about crime is when the Aussies start turning up! Link to post Share on other sites
gerard 6 Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Yeah, but that's too be expected --you know--since it used to be a penal colony Link to post Share on other sites
indosnm 0 Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Yeah, be wary of anyone from the East coast! Us Adelaideians are OK because we were free settlers! Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Where in adelaide are ye from Indo? I have family in Elizabeth. You a crows fan or power? Link to post Share on other sites
Oyuki kigan 0 Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 has anyone ever seen actual data about violent crime in Japan, and who it is committed by? I would be interested in seeing it. Link to post Share on other sites
Oyuki kigan 0 Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 decided to actally do my own homework, and came up with this http://www.jref.com/society/foreign_crime_in_japan.shtml kinda interesting. Link to post Share on other sites
soubriquet 0 Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Very interesting read. Thanks for digging that out. I'll show it to soubriquette tonight. Link to post Share on other sites
bobby12 0 Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Good stats, useful for pub talk and surprising the in-laws. Link to post Share on other sites
Yuki's Passion 1 Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 figures lie and liers figure, go figure foreign "criminality" - WTF kinda word is that? Sounds like it was pulled outta a J-E dictionary by somebody... I found something more recent last year at my old school but dont have the link anymore Link to post Share on other sites
bushpig 0 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Good link there Oyuki I was gonna mention that a lot of Japan experts who regularly post on the NBR Japan forums often say this exact thing in relation to foreign crime being completely misrepresented in the Japanese mind and media. Link to post Share on other sites
66jzmstr 0 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Originally Posted By: Creek Boy figures lie and liers figure, go figure foreign "criminality" - WTF kinda word is that? Sounds like it was pulled outta a J-E dictionary by somebody... I found something more recent last year at my old school but dont have the link anymore Ha! I liked the J-E dictionary remark, reminds me of some of my students over here. But seriously, you have never heard that word before? I'm by no means defending the author (or any of his typos), but that's not an uncommon word here. (Because we're just a bunch of crooks in the US!) But, original -> originality, criminal -> criminality. Is it that much of a stretch? Link to post Share on other sites
Yuki's Passion 1 Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20061004f1.html and http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20070904a5.html have some interesting information in them. Im doing capital punishment in one of my classes this semester. Nagase said this last year when he first took office, "The issue of accepting workers from overseas is something that I've been working on since I first became a lawmaker," he said. He also acknowledged that balancing Japan's worker shortage and the growing concern regarding the number of crimes committed by foreigners is tricky." Xenophopia runs rampant. Even with the old info posted by OK the percentage isnt close. What crimes are we going to compare too? Stealing and drug dealing, in my eyes, would be lesser crimes than committing murder or raping somebody. How many aliens are commiting those? Farkall compared with the J-population. "Hatoyama was quick to display his determination to heed Abe's call, quickly supporting capital punishment and pointing to the threat of crimes committed by foreigners." He is probably related to Ishihara - The guy is only in power to due to his family's influence and background rather than having anything knowledgeable to offer. Link to post Share on other sites
1 4 Posted September 4, 2007 Author Share Posted September 4, 2007 Cheers for the replies and links. Interesting. No wonder some Japanese are scared of foreigners. Link to post Share on other sites
Oyuki kigan 0 Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 exqueeeze me? you think there is justification? Link to post Share on other sites
veronica 2 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Sometimes Japanese people have asked me - what do you think of the gaikokuhin hanzai problem. Not sute why, do they think I am "involved" somehow, or feel some kind of connection with the foreign thugs. It makes me feel rather uncomfortable. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 ask them how they feel about the Imperial army's actions in Nanking, that should shut them up Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 they would be totally ignorant of it. They were not taught it in school and the text books these days, if at all it is mentioned, calls it the "Nanking Incident" and leave it at that. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 they may not have een taught about it but they know that the International community has condemned the so called "incident" Link to post Share on other sites
soubriquet 0 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Father-out-law ran a brothel in Manchuria. Apparently, he could be trusted with the money. He also did 3 years time in Siberian slave camp as a guest of the Russians. Link to post Share on other sites
Mantas 3 Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 A lot of you guys work in the education system. Just what is being taught in Japanese schools about war time atrocities? Link to post Share on other sites
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