fukdane 2 Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 There is a program on tv now about a girl who got pregnant at 14 and had the baby. She is living with the father and her mother (along with the baby). Seems it is a feature about "young mamas". Made me think. Is there no law in Japan that makes it a crime to have sex with underage girls? Link to post Share on other sites
Mantas 3 Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 Motherhood starts early in some places over here too. I have to do a double take sometimes. Is that the baby's sister or mother? Link to post Share on other sites
YellowSnow 0 Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 fukudane its a popular misconseption that there are no laws, actually there are prefectural laws that would be the same as state laws in America, each prefecture has their own age of consent and in Tokyo its quite high. If the police want to charge you they will. Link to post Share on other sites
Yuki's Passion 1 Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 >Is there no law in Japan that makes it a crime to have sex with underage girls? Nope, its called enjo kosai...laws dont apply when the same people making them are breaking them helping support high school girls get prada bags/wallets and expenseive watches Link to post Share on other sites
girl with a beard 0 Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 When you say quite high - what age actually is it? Being a mother at 14 is just a ridiculous idea. I bet that programme was almost glamourising it was well - were they all gambatteiiru and the like praising the girls for being mature and everything? I saw something simular a while back on local tv. Link to post Share on other sites
YellowSnow 0 Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 Well its 18-20, 20 for drinking Relative to what people believe it is, it is quite high. Not to me personally. Link to post Share on other sites
me jane 0 Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 Don't know about shagging but these are the marriage ages from the US Embassy in Japan's website: Quote: The male partner must be 18 years of age or older and the female partner must be 16 years of age or older. A person who is under 20 years of age cannot get married in Japan without a parent's approval. If YellowSnow is correct, then J-girls in Tokyo can marry but not sleep with their husbands?! Just found this on Wikipedia: Quote: The National age of consent in Japan is 13 for both males and females, as specified by the Japanese Penal Code Articles 176 and 177. There are no sodomy laws. However, most prefectures have ordinances that prohibit "immoral sexual acts" with minors. The phrase "Immoral sexual acts" is not strictly defined. It is mainly used to prevent minors from engaging in quasi prostitution (e.g. Enjo kōsai). It is unclear if the translated term "minors" refers to children (defined as those aged under 18) or to those who have not reached majority (defined as those under 20). I've always told there is no age limit for sex in Japan. It seems that there is, but as no-one seems to know about it, it defeats the object of having such a law. Link to post Share on other sites
samurai 0 Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 I had once heard that 13 rule too. (the jeff foxworthy on ishihara;) If you are over 13 years old in Japan- you might be a baby-machine. Link to post Share on other sites
samurai 0 Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 oh... and to answer the question of this thread; Is it ok for a 14 year old to be a mum? My answer, yes. Assuming it's not my 14 y.o. daughter (that I don't yet have). Link to post Share on other sites
BagOfCrisps 24 Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 13? All sounds a bit sicko to me I'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites
samurai 0 Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 very sicko. daver may have an explanation as to why this country cherishes its youth the way it does... outside of our sicko predispositions... Link to post Share on other sites
Tesselator 0 Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Why is it sick-o? I don't want to do any of the 13 or 14 year-olds I know but why are people (especially Americans) always on about this stuff? I don't get it. It's all based on culture and the standards IT sets. During one era 10 and 12 was quite acceptable. Just 150 years ago and less 13 was a full man in most places. Marriage around that same age was very wide spread. No one questioned it and no one thought it was sick. Yet now the "moral majority" and the right wing "political Christians" get in a place where it's profitable to throw those societal norms into whack extremes and suddenly what was acceptable just a generation or two ago becomes criminally "sick". I'm more inclined to think that religion using morals as a tool for capitol gain and therefrom reforming the mind-set of the society is "sick-o" myself. Shrug. Link to post Share on other sites
daver 0 Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 it is sick because adults are taking advantage of children. it may have been acceptable in the past but at least in that respect we as a western culture have evolved. i would suggest it is an area that japan needs some work on. don't try to condone sex with minors. you are going to lose. Link to post Share on other sites
Tesselator 0 Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Quote: Originally posted by daver: it is sick because adults are taking advantage of children. In America maybe where the family unit is suffering greatly. Not here - that I see. And not in the US where families are still functioning. That's what parental guidance is all about. Just like Samurai san said above. We're not talking about forced rape here. We may not even be talking about fornication out of wedlock. Quote: it may have been acceptable in the past but at least in that respect we as a western culture have evolved. I honestly think we've devolved! More corruption, more evil all around, more needless war, more suffering, more genocide, more profiteering from the suffering of the weak, extremely dumbed-down education. Nothing looks evolved from where I sit but it's just like the scriptures say. "In those times men will become clever at killing one another." Quote: i would suggest it is an area that japan needs some work on. I completely disagree. I don't want to be part of a fascistic restrictive society because a few (0.01% ?) parents don't give a crap about their kids Quote: don't try to condone sex with minors. you are going to lose. Yup, I know. Everyone believes it so that's the way it is. I still question it though. {and again I remind that we're NOT talking about "sex with minors" - rather we're discussing the legal age of consent for marriage - and all that goes with it.} Link to post Share on other sites
YellowSnow 0 Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Tesselator not being rude, but were you a Born Again or something to that effect? You quote scripture like I used to (Though I was not born again) Getting back to the start 14 yo mother? Go to poor areas of the UK and Ireland and you will see them everywhere. I knew loads of people in my school who used to shag like rabbits and at that age I was quite jealous of them. If they want to do it let them. But when you throw an adult into the mix it automatically becomes an "abusive" relationship. If I teen commits murder they are tried as an adult, but when it is anything sexual they are innocent. I don't advocate real abusive relationships but think a 17 year old is always innocent. Besides I feel if children are brought up in good providing families, they wont be in a situation where they are going to be sexual at at young age. All the little sluts shagging in the UK are living in the worst conditions, tower blocks paid for with dole money. Link to post Share on other sites
rach 1 Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 I was such an innocent 14 year old (and I'm really glad I was as well). When I go back to England it's almost scary to see how "old" some of the young teens seem now. Certainly more so than when I was that age. I can't see how it can be a good thing. Link to post Share on other sites
NoFakie 45 Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 fukdane How old was the father? Was he underage too? Link to post Share on other sites
samurai 0 Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 actually I thought the 13 age thing was consent for sex, not marriage. Hence my sicko comment, immediately thinking of the offensive mags in the bookstore showing little girls in school uniforms. They were definetely under 18 and it was defintely sick. The title was "Young and Pure." with a very sad looking girl who hadn't even the courage to look at the camera cowering on the cover. No wonder it was in shrink wrap and no wonder I have yet to buy porn in this country. Very different cultures, indeed. Actually, I would feel obligated to kick the dude's ass who chose to buy it. But then I'd get arrested for battery. Oh well... might as well do what everyone else does in this country... shoganai. shrug, follow the "thank god it's not my child." mentality. Link to post Share on other sites
YellowSnow 0 Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Samurai the mags that a shrink wrapped most of the time contain no nudity oddly enough. Its a trap to fool salary men. Underage "artistic" nudes were very popular in Japan 10 years ago, it has cleaned up a lot. But I have seen pretty doddgy photobooks in Bookoff. What is far worse is manga, if you really want to see perverted you have to checkout the manga in places like K-books. or www.mandarake.com haha. I know this because I was going to open a foreign export book business at one stage but I gave up. Photobooks have limits but manga is a lot more relevant to to mindset. Link to post Share on other sites
amandanism 0 Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 putting aside that it's wrong and sick to have sex with minors - there is really no argument to be had. and maybe this is obvious but i really don't understand how you could have a baby and not even have finished high school. what kind of life/future are you destined to have with little opportunity of completing high school let alone going to university and why would you want to raise a child in that environment. as far as i'm concerned, children should not be having children. Link to post Share on other sites
YellowSnow 0 Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 manda If it was a 12 year old boy who got the 14 year old girl pregnant, which of the 2 were "sick"/"wrong"? Link to post Share on other sites
amandanism 0 Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 i think i may have jumped to conclusions about the age of the father of the child. i was in agreement with others that an adult(although the lines seem to be fuzzy about what constitutes "adulthood.") should not have sex with a minor. i can see what you're getting at but in my eyes, i don't think 12 or 14 year olds should be having sex in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites
fukdane 2 Posted March 29, 2007 Author Share Posted March 29, 2007 If I remember correctly the father was 18. He didn't look like a rocket scientist. Link to post Share on other sites
Tesselator 0 Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Quote: Originally posted by YellowSnow: Tesselator not being rude, but were you a Born Again or something to that effect? You quote scripture like I used to (Though I was not born again) I'll answer like Ghandi did: I am a Christian and a Jew, and Hindu, and Buddhist, and a... At about 12 I thought it was critical to "being" that I know everything I could about all the major religions. So I got heavily into self-study, read hundreds of books, and of course all the texts, etc. etc. till I was about 27. I studied with a few Born Agains... they're alright. I guess if I were to classify myself I live like a Taoist for the most part but more fundamental than the newer Hsüan Chiao. Quote: Besides I feel if children are brought up in good providing families, they wont be in a situation where they are going to be sexual at at young age. All the little sluts shagging in the UK are living in the worst conditions, tower blocks paid for with dole money. Yup, now that's what I'm talking about. Build on the family unit and legislate improved living conditions if you want to combat this kind of abuse where it exists - right along with so many other kinds of sufferings at the same time. Passing laws, or pointing fingers and saying "sick-o" does nothing but exasperate the situation, fill prisons, and turn our communities fascist. {And I'm not bagging on you personally Samurai san, this is the programmed response - it's likely everyone's first response - especially if they thought it was like a 40 year old with a 14 year old or something - which is actually pretty strange.} Quote: Originally posted by samurai: actually I thought the 13 age thing was consent for sex, not marriage. Hence my sicko comment, immediately thinking of the offensive mags in the bookstore showing little girls in school uniforms. They were definetely under 18 and it was defintely sick. The title was "Young and Pure." with a very sad looking girl who hadn't even the courage to look at the camera cowering on the cover. No wonder it was in shrink wrap and no wonder I have yet to buy porn in this country. Very different cultures, indeed. Actually, I would feel obligated to kick the dude's ass who chose to buy it. But then I'd get arrested for battery. Oh well... might as well do what everyone else does in this country... shoganai. shrug, follow the "thank god it's not my child." mentality. Well Lolitta porn (manga) IS pretty strong here - thankfully it seems to remain almost exclusively on the page. Almost no Japanese actualize it or act on those fantasies. But I have to say that I think there is often a genuine love (fatherly, brotherly, Godly, protectorate) for children (or innocents) mixed in with the message in many of the ones I have picked up and flipped through. Japanese seem to be MUCH more free and open and natural about sex than westerners. A term like "doing the dirty" would never enter most Japanese' minds cuz it's just not - dirty I mean. As such I think they are sooner to communicate about sex with/in front of/around children than westerners are. I think the term fitting most (or too many) westerners that I know is "hung-up" about sex or their sexuality, in general. So there seems to be a clash of the two cultures around that topic. -- Also I wanted to say in regard to "happiness" and young marriage it's completely a matter of choice. You determine what makes you happy. Almost no condition or outside force can without you allowing it to - although movies, TV, and other forms of "programming" would have us believe otherwise - your reality is dictated by your perception. Link to post Share on other sites
YellowSnow 0 Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Tesselator - I have gone through a lot of the same transitions, As I mentioned when I was young I was brought up in a Christian Cult. They used to laugh a scientist from the pulpit during their sermons etc. Their programing never worked on me I became fanatical about science, secretly reading books on evolution and counter social movements. But I did have loyalties to my family and apostasy would of killed my mother so I stuck that religion out for far to long. I started to self study about religious history formation of fundamentalist churches in America, bible techniques such as "Bible Marking" that is why I could see that you must of had contact with born agains. Have even come to the same conclusion about perception as you. But I have expanded a little. Perception to me is like a filter, the more you accept the world view of others and let it influence you the darker your filter gets. So you have some people who may even be social outcasts are nothing more than the product of "society" i.e. their filter. The only way to clear your filter is to question everything you are presented with and also to question how you yourself perceive. Pain and suffering is the one thing that passes through all filters. But when it is the only thing you are perceive then it is the only thing you can use to control your situation and the people around you. Hence violence in the tower blocks, religious control and politics. But there are ways of breaking down the filter pretty quickly. Travel and exposure to as much as the world as possible generally breaks it down. Though some people cant handle the self doubt and become more religious/entrenched. ~~~ The only way to find yourself is to get lost Link to post Share on other sites
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