Tubby Beaver 209 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 It's silly of them to expect folks to pay for services over a year after they have moved away. I think they check if you apply for permanent res, other than that you'll probably get away with not paying. they are starting to ask for evidence from your city hall when you renew your visa Link to post Share on other sites
Alexander L 80 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Really, a tax responsibility is a tax responsiblity. People know this before they move surely. Link to post Share on other sites
Thundercat 60 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 It's silly of them to expect folks to pay for services over a year after they have moved away. I think they check if you apply for permanent res, other than that you'll probably get away with not paying. they are starting to ask for evidence from your city hall when you renew your visa Yes. This is a big concern for people who are renewing our visas. Link to post Share on other sites
Thundercat 60 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Really, a tax responsibility is a tax responsiblity. People know this before they move surely. That is true except that the rules are often changed in the middle of the game... Link to post Share on other sites
Jynxx 4 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 That happens with retirement age and superannuation ... Can´t really be sure about planning for the future. It´s all about servicing debts. Link to post Share on other sites
RobBright 35 Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 It's silly of them to expect folks to pay for services over a year after they have moved away. I think they check if you apply for permanent res, other than that you'll probably get away with not paying. they are starting to ask for evidence from your city hall when you renew your visa Yes. This is a big concern for people who are renewing our visas. Yep, it's not supposed to affect the visa application process; however, I can see a few people losing their visas due to "extraneous" circumstances. Link to post Share on other sites
Thundercat 60 Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Hard to believe that it's not supposed to effect the process when they told me they won't accept my application without the tax paperwork... Link to post Share on other sites
RobBright 35 Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Hard to believe that it's not supposed to effect the process when they told me they won't accept my application without the tax paperwork... All you need is the form of taxation payment, anyone can get that, regardless of how much you have paid. Link to post Share on other sites
Thundercat 60 Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 So even if you haven't paid any taxes you can get a form saying that you have? Strange. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I think you may have to make at least one payment to get the form Link to post Share on other sites
brit-gob 9 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Hard to believe that it's not supposed to effect the process when they told me they won't accept my application without the tax paperwork... I think we might be underestimating the authorities here, it is hard to believe as BM said. Link to post Share on other sites
Thundercat 60 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Hard to believe that it's not supposed to effect the process when they told me they won't accept my application without the tax paperwork... I think we might be underestimating the authorities here, it is hard to believe as BM said. I suppose it might depend on where you live in Japan as well. In Shizuoka we seem to have a disproportionately large number of foreign factory labourers that may be more inclined to try and dodge the city taxes. They seem to be very strick about that kind of thing around here. Link to post Share on other sites
scouser 4 Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 What kind of work are those people doing, BM? Link to post Share on other sites
Thundercat 60 Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Mostly manufacturing jobs. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 actually quite a lot in southern Kanagawa too.....when I lived in Hiratsuka I used to hang out with a bunch of Brazilians, Peruvians and other assorted South Americans. They worked in the tyre factories and such like Link to post Share on other sites
bobby12 0 Posted April 27, 2012 Author Share Posted April 27, 2012 Just an update, I went in and out of Japan no problem as a tourist. They hadn't flagged me up as oweing* money. * according to their definition. I don't think I owe them anything. Link to post Share on other sites
onsen tamago 0 Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Good to hear that. Have you had any more "reminders" send to your overseas home? Link to post Share on other sites
bobby12 0 Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 Nope. But, I expect them to chase me for it when I apply for the pension refund. Link to post Share on other sites
bobby12 0 Posted May 30, 2012 Author Share Posted May 30, 2012 Another update.... Kobe City tax office just went into my Japanese bank account and took the money out!!! I checked my balance and noticed some strange withdrawal, it was city tax! Is that even legal to just take money directly out of someones account without warning? I doubt very much you can do that in the UK unless there has been legal proceedings. Outrageous!!! Let this be a warning to all gaijin - if you plan to dodge the city tax make sure you empty your account as soon as possible! Link to post Share on other sites
grungy-gonads 54 Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 That's pretty wild. I do not like the idea of them being able to do that. How much was it again bobby? Link to post Share on other sites
RobBright 35 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 By law, yes they are allowed to do it. They will go to your employer, or previous employer, and ask for your bank details. They will also send warnings to your address in Japan. The company will usually give them to the city office, as it makes their life easier. Happened to me, but made it easier to pay and this time around I said to them "you have my bank details, now take the money out when need be for my tax." Link to post Share on other sites
scouser 4 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 I suppose if you are legally bound to pay it, then they have that right. As distasteful as it may seem. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 schoolboy error Bobby!! Link to post Share on other sites
bobby12 0 Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share Posted May 31, 2012 It was 100,000 yen, and if you remember it was for the period Jan-July 2012 despite the fact I had already left Japan and handed in my gaijin card in December 2011! Anyway, I would have had to pay it when I claim the pension refund probably which eases the sting. I realise its debatable, but I think I can argue of being mugged of a fair whack of money by the Japanese government: 10man city tax despite not being in the country, and 2 years of unrefundable (why not?) pension payments which is another 50 to 100man or so. Link to post Share on other sites
tokabochi 9 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 It seems to me that regardless of whether you think it is "being mugged" or not, they seem to have that right. Perhaps you need to pay for a year even if you don't stay for a year? Perhaps you didn't quite cut things off as you should have? I don't know, but they obviously feel they are legally in the right. Link to post Share on other sites
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