grungy-gonads 54 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 On the telly this morning they were emphasising how Michelle is "100% black". Proper one, it seems. Link to post Share on other sites
Yuki's Passion 1 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Originally Posted By: bobby12 I think this is a big turning point in history where the US became a (for want of a better term) non-white country - black president, hispanics probably in the majority now? And how long before Spanish is the national language? For sure it is a great thing - its about damn time too. I kinda thought an african american would be in power before a woman. I dunno why but just thought so. Spanish wont ever be the national language - at least not while my father is alive...lol. I think we would do well for ourselves to make it a second language. Why wouldnt anybody want to learn another language? Link to post Share on other sites
Rag-Doll 0 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Some CCN guy last night was going on about how remarkable the election was because of the near complete absence of race as a determining factor for voters. He said this a couple of times, but he was really only referring to white voters. Black voters split something 94% for Obama and 4% against. If the whites had voted along race lines to that extent the World would be in uproar. Clearly there were some sections of the community that thought race was an important factor. Racism, like race, is obviously a very subjective concept. GG, the silly thing is that he shares none of the common history of most African Americans. He is supported purely because of the color of his skin, a repugnant reason to vote for anyone. Link to post Share on other sites
foreversnow 5 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Is anyone likening Obama being voted in to how popular J F Kennedy was?? My biggest fear is some REDNECK will take it on himself to assasinate him as he is such a history making man!! Link to post Share on other sites
snowdude 44 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Originally Posted By: Hokkaidough I don't know about the man enough but I do know that at least we have been spared McCain and more importantly that Palin character. For that, we should be thankful. Yes Obama is definately the better choice, could you imagine if bush double McCain and I can't read Palin had of won, more bloody wars and problems. Not sure if Obama can deliver though, only time will tell, but at least he has some fresh ideas and seems like he listens to the people. Let's hope he can sort out America, because it affects all of us not just the US. Link to post Share on other sites
Ezorisu 0 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Originally Posted By: Rag-Doll GG, the silly thing is that he shares none of the common history of most African Americans. He is supported purely because of the color of his skin, a repugnant reason to vote for anyone. He's half "black", half "white" - does he identify himself as one or the other? Nope. What of the white/Asian/Hispanic/Pacific Islander/other people who voted for him? Were they supporting him because he was black? Link to post Share on other sites
HelperElfMissy 42 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 I think he is charismatic and people are supporting him because he engages with his audience and is talking the talk. The fact that he is such an enigmatic figure and a man with colored skin makes him VERY atractive to minorities - they identify with him regardless of the the truth of his background. People have automatic assumptions based on appearance referenced against thier preestablished schemata. So the Hispanics that have grown up along side African American battlers will identify them in Obama - regardless of the very different life experiences he has had. You could see this in effect in the reverse in the ignorant white McCain supporters (not saying all McCain supporters were ignorant OR white, but just pointing out a sub group here)...one woman I recall at a rally telling McCain that she believed Obama 'was an Ay-Rab and a Muslim'. She did not KNOW the truth, or chose to not hear/read/accept the truth about his background - instead she placed him into a pre-establish schemata where people with names that sound like that are Arabic, Muslim and probably terrorists. Whatever REASON they voted for him, they did. He is President. I hope he is effective in the role. And I hope he is kept safe - he is a man with young daughters to raise, as well as a country to run. Link to post Share on other sites
fukdane 2 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 'Palin didn't know Africa was a continent': McCain aides begin Republican mud-slinging in wake of defeat Link to post Share on other sites
Rag-Doll 0 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Originally Posted By: Ezorisu Originally Posted By: Rag-Doll GG, the silly thing is that he shares none of the common history of most African Americans. He is supported purely because of the color of his skin, a repugnant reason to vote for anyone. He's half "black", half "white" - does he identify himself as one or the other? Nope. What of the white/Asian/Hispanic/Pacific Islander/other people who voted for him? Were they supporting him because he was black? For some, the answer is probably yes. there is going to be a huge about written about why people voted for Obama and lots of digging into what it means. Some people I'm sure did vote for him because of his color - I mean, jeezus, people decide who they vote for based on all sorts of crazy and irrational reasons so this isn't different, just a bit hypocritcial. I reckon there were even people who voted for Obama out of a sense of history - here was a genuine contender to be the first black president. That naturally is going to draw support from some people. I think I even saw some press commentary about how the media tended to favor Obama for largely the same reason - his story, the story of the first black president, made good copy and the notion became selffulling. Interesting that Obama still only got 52% of the vote. There are some serious cultural divides in the US, it seems. Link to post Share on other sites
HelperElfMissy 42 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Originally Posted By: Rag-Doll Some people I'm sure did vote for him because of his color - I mean, jeezus, people decide who they vote for based on all sorts of crazy and irrational reasons so this isn't different, just a bit hypocritcial. I reckon there were even people who voted for Obama out of a sense of history - here was a genuine contender to be the first black president. That naturally is going to draw support from some people. Particularly first time voters I would imagine. Those who have never before been motivated to bother to vote might have been inspired by these things to be a part of history and a new chapter... Link to post Share on other sites
bobby12 0 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 It reminds me a bit of when Diana died and everyone went to Buckingham Palace to lay flowers. I asked my mum: 'Why are you going there? you have no interest in the royals and you didnt like Diana.' Her response: 'Well, you know, everyone is going aren't they? its a big moment in history' This is when I started to realise that importance of the snowball effect. Superficially it seemed like everyone was there to pay respects to Diana, when in fact most people are there to say they were there, or to gawp at what is going on. I can totally believe that this is what happened with Obama too. (Having said that, I do think he was genuinely a strong candidate.) Link to post Share on other sites
Ezorisu 0 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Originally Posted By: Rag-Doll Interesting that Obama still only got 52% of the vote. There are some serious cultural divides in the US, it seems. True, but by that 52%, some of those divides are falling down. If everyone voted purely along racial lines (all black people voted for Barry, and all white people voted for McC), then he would have lost just based on population. It is good to see that at least a fair percentage of people voted for whom they believed in, and not for a candidate of their race. It would have been nicer to have seen a larger margin! Link to post Share on other sites
Ezorisu 0 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Originally Posted By: bobby12 This is when I started to realise that importance of the snowball effect. Superficially it seemed like everyone was there to pay respects to Diana, when in fact most people are there to say they were there, or to gawp at what is going on. I can totally believe that this is what happened with Obama too. (Having said that, I do think he was genuinely a strong candidate.) Most definitely. This is true amongst the media, bloggers, people interviewed at rallys, etc. They all want to be seen and say their "I told you so's". It's the YouTube reaction video phenomenon - people want to somehow grasp at their moment in the spotlight by grabbing ahold of something in the popular spotlight. Same thing happened on 11 Sept, Shuttle disaster #1 and #2. ...And yes, he won on his own merits! Link to post Share on other sites
Curt 1 Posted November 13, 2008 Author Share Posted November 13, 2008 You know if Palin did make a run for it, she would surely be doomed. There are too many reasonable and intelligent people to let that particular nightmare come true. (Yes, I know we have had Bush, but we can't make the mistake again and again...) Agree muchly with what you post up there Mamabear. I do think if Obama would have been 'white', he would have trounced McCain even more. Doesn't matter now though Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Dunno. It's all too un-charted. I can see the whole world sufferring even more. But that's only my doom view. Go go Africa, let's see what you've got.... what?...saving it up?.....what?......civil wars?.... Link to post Share on other sites
KlingKlang 1 Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 What was it the popular vote 53% - 46% of something? Link to post Share on other sites
Curt 1 Posted November 14, 2008 Author Share Posted November 14, 2008 Something like that. What, thursday, if she won? Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 beauty pageants will take your mind off things. Link to post Share on other sites
BagOfCrisps 24 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 I just can't believe it. Quote: Sarah Palin’s teenage daughter angrily denounced reports today that she was to blame for breaking up with the father of her two-month-old son. Bristol Palin, the daughter of last year’s controversial Republican vice-presidential candidate, responded after it emerged that she and her fiancé, Levi Johnston, had split up. The news comes amid growing speculation over Mrs Palin’s presidential ambitions. The Alaska governor has not committed to running in 2012, but said recently that God will show her the way to a potential White House run. Quote: “She tells him he can’t take the baby to our house because she doesn’t want him around ‘white trash’. The worst part, Ms Johnston tells the magazine, is that Governor Palin supports her daughter’s treatment of Mr Johnston. Link to post Share on other sites
BagOfCrisps 24 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Quote: “Levi tries to see Tripp every single day, but Bristol makes it nearly impossible,†Mercedes Johnston is quoted as saying. Are they all real names of people?! Link to post Share on other sites
RobBright 35 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Real names? Yes. People? Debatable. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Mercedes used to be such a beuatiful name. Link to post Share on other sites
Curt 1 Posted March 13, 2009 Author Share Posted March 13, 2009 It did that. As much as she was scary woman, Palin sure was entertaining for a while there. Link to post Share on other sites
gerard 6 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Well, she resigned as governor of Alaska and went out with a crackin speech. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I saw that speech. Good that. Hope she runs for president of Alaska. Link to post Share on other sites
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