SamuiKitsune 0 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 F$& Forbes, then. Give us your list for Japan! Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted January 9, 2008 Author Share Posted January 9, 2008 Changes are a coming, look at Higashiyama. Just the website alone has gotten a million times better. And Hilton coming in to manage from summer? People should open their eyes, that's a huge WOW!!! Next, Hanazono! Link to post Share on other sites
Go Native 70 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 SJ#1 even here in Niseko it is still very frustrating. The investment by Tokyu Resorts over the last five years in developing the resort, lifts and terrain has been minimal. From what I have heard meetings with top management at Tokyu still reveals a prevailing attitude that all the foreign investment is just a bubble that will inevitably burst. They don't seem to get the idea that sure it may all burst if they don't develop the ski area and lifts to cater more to the desires of the foreign market that has transformed this place. I just wish they would sell Hirafu to a foreign company that has some idea of how to create a resort that will meet needs and wants of the international skiing market. Then we will have sustained development here. Link to post Share on other sites
gerard 6 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Anyone starting to get the impression that Japan a little.... .... umm... Warning, spoiler! conservative??? Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 The resort doesnt own many of the hotels or land so they make money on Tickets alone. Places that make large money have interests in the land and the hotels. Link to post Share on other sites
NoFakie 45 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 I doubt there's any money in running lifts at current prices. That said, I'd love someone to prove me wrong. As for resort development, Niseko is the big hope for all of Japan. If they can't do it there, it won't happen anywhere else. As for Forbes, I seriously cannot see the average Forbes reader rocking up at Charmant Hiuchi with their 4,000 yen from the conbeni ticket with the free onsen and 1200 yen lunch. In that case, there's not much point in mentioning it. Great little hill though, and really nice folk. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 This all just reflects Japan as a whole, very very very slow at embracing change, especially when the Gaijin factor is thrown in. For a country so advanced its awfully backwards!!! Link to post Share on other sites
gerard 6 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Originally Posted By: Tubby Beaver This all just reflects Japan as a whole, very very very slow at embracing change, especially when the Gaijin factor is thrown in. For a country so advanced its awfully backwards!!! You obviously work in public education, Tubby. Link to post Share on other sites
soubriquet 0 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 That's a curious observation, TB. Japan has undergone three revolutions in 150 years, and taught The World how to make things. I'm not convinced The West is more advanced. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 haha yeah!! But I haven't always, its just been my experience that any change in Japan happens at a slow rate, well when that change has been suggested from an outsider. The "its always been this way" attitude is very strong here. Link to post Share on other sites
riegeronimo 0 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 well..i have my 2 cents. my local mountain on vancouver island in BC: Mt. Washington is way too low. they currently have the highest snowpack in north america at 380cm MID MOUNTAIN. it is not unheard of for them to have OVER 500CM mid mountain. the only place that comes close is mt baker in washington state. Link to post Share on other sites
Go Native 70 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 rieger it's about averages. Not if it's having a good season this year. Link to post Share on other sites
BagOfCrisps 24 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Aren't all things like this basically dictated to by MONEY. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted January 9, 2008 Author Share Posted January 9, 2008 somebody has done something to promote their place and so safeguard their investment. Isn't it a bit coincidental that an American fiancial group bought a resort, are making changes to bring it into the first world and suddenly it gets noticed by American mainstream media. Hellooooo??? Any marketers out there? That's one hell of a stunt. Well done Link to post Share on other sites
nice 0 Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 Who bought it thursday? (I thought I read that Niseko was still Japanese owned in another thread earlier today?) Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 I think that Niseko Hirafu, annapurri etc are J-owned but Moiwa, which has started to call itself Niseko-Moiwa, has been bought by a foreign company. I think!!! Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted January 16, 2008 Author Share Posted January 16, 2008 Citicorp bought Higashiyama. PCCW Development bought Hanazono Tokyu Resorts owns Grand Hirafu Chuo Bus Co. owns Annupuri Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 A bus company? I bet they have good shuttle services. (Actually, probably not!!) Link to post Share on other sites
PWL 0 Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 Quote: Not a single European reort made it. Not even Scotland?? Link to post Share on other sites
Molochan 0 Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 I want to go to Scotland very much it looks beautiful place. Sorry Link to post Share on other sites
JA2340 16 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Originally Posted By: Sarge1 Where's perisher About 195! Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 If you count all of japans resorts north of kobe more like 595 for snow! Link to post Share on other sites
grungy-gonads 54 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Molochan, Scotland is a great place, let down by the weather perhaps (though I don't suppose it would be as green without that). The Japanese people I know who have been to Scotland have all loved it. Sorry Link to post Share on other sites
tsondaboy 0 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Not only Japanese, my friend studied in Dundee and loved it. (although she says it took her 1 year to understand what on earth they are talking about ) She went back to Greece worked 2-3 years, hated it and now is back to Scotland again. I might go and visit her sometime. Link to post Share on other sites
grungy-gonads 54 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Well yeah, of course. I was just giving Molochan a point of reference kind of thing. Link to post Share on other sites
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