Fattwins 0 Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 http://www.iwate-np.co.jp/cgi-bin/topnews.cgi?20070919_1 Looks like just having open gates wont always make you money. Link to post Share on other sites
Peter North 0 Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Why don't you actually write something that I can understand? What is the content of that link? Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted November 12, 2007 Author Share Posted November 12, 2007 It talks about hachimantai and whether or not it will open this season. Link to post Share on other sites
soubriquet 0 Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Bugger. Thanks for the link. I'll have get the lady to read it though. Link to post Share on other sites
Peter North 0 Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 県や八幡平市が出資する第３セクター株式会社八幡平観光（八幡平市緑ガ丘、資本金２億９７９０万円、社長・三船博敏県北自動車社長）は、同社が経営する八幡平スキー場の事業から撤退を検討していることが１８日、分かった。スキー客減少が大きな要因で、同社のもう一つの柱となる八幡平ロッヂ（旧八幡平観光ホテル）の経営は撤退の方向だ。市は観光面への影響を考慮し、スキー場経営を引き継ぐ企業を探していたが、１８日に開かれた市議会全員協議会で、田村正彦市長は断念したことを明らかにした。 八幡平観光は八幡平スキー場、併設する観光ホテルの八幡平ロッヂ、東北自動車道上り線岩手山サービスエリア（ＳＡ）の売店・食堂事業を展開。スキー場とホテルへの入り込み客の減少で、スキー場とホテル事業からの撤退を含めた事業再編を検討している。 市は同スキー場の存続のため、スキー場経営の実績がある県内外の企業と経営引き継ぎを交渉。県も含めて協議してきたが、リフトなど施設の老朽化が進んでおり、不調に終わったという。 八幡平観光の２００７年３月期決算は売り上げ約６億２０００万円、当期利益は約１９００万円の赤字。同スキー場の売り上げは１９９３年度の約１億円をピークに０６年度は約２５００万円にまで減少した。八幡平ロッヂは今春から休業している。八幡平観光の工藤幹夫常務は「金融機関や県、八幡平市とともにスキー場存続を前提に事業再編を協議してきた。（市は断念したが）八幡平観光としても経営を引き継いでもらえる企業を探したい。今季もスキー場は営業する」と語る。 仮にスキー場を完全閉鎖する場合は、敷地内が国有林のため、リフト撤去や植林などの原状回復が必要で、膨大な費用が見込まれる。 田村正彦八幡平市長は「市として経営の引き継ぎ先を見つけることは断念した。ただ、八幡平地域の観光振興のため同スキー場存続のため財政負担する考えはあり、八幡平観光や県の対応を注視したい」と話しているが、厳しい状況だ。 八幡平スキー場 リフト整備された県内のスキー場として竜ケ森スキー場（旧安代町）に次いで２番目となる１９６１年に開設。国有林約３９ヘクタールにリフト３基を設置。県内で歴史のあるスキー場として知られ、皇室関係者も訪れた。昨シーズンの入り込み数は２万５０００人。開設当初から第３セクター八幡平観光が経営。８７年から県北自動車が筆頭株主（持ち株比率４０・２％）となった。社員２６人。県の持ち株比率は１９・５％、八幡平市は２％など。 Link to post Share on other sites
soubriquet 0 Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Thanks Peter. I'll get the good lady to look through it for me and post a summary. Unless one of you aces wants to paraphrase it Link to post Share on other sites
Yuki's Passion 1 Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 it says, "we're screwed, we arent earning enough money, we have been in debt since before the bubble, and there arent enough customers to break even. We are screwed!" Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 would they like more punters this season? Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted November 12, 2007 Author Share Posted November 12, 2007 babel fish doesnt do a great job as it butchers the name but you can see how much moeny they lost. Link to post Share on other sites
ireallylikebakedbeans 0 Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Fully translated: As for the 3rd sector corporation Yawata flat sight-seeing (Yawata flat city green moth hill, capital 297900000 Yen, prefectural north automobile President Satoshi president three boat Hiroshi) where the prefecture and Yawata flat city invest, on the 18th, it understood that withdrawal is examined from business of the Yawata flat ski site which the same company manages. Skiing customer decrease with the big primary factor, as for management of Yawata flat ロッヂ (old Yawata flat sight-seeing hotel) which becomes another pillar of the same company is direction of withdrawal. City considered the influence to the sight-seeing aspect, searched the enterprise which takes over ski site management, but in the city assembly everyone conference which was opened on the 18th, Mayor Masahiko Tamura made that you give up clear. Yawata flat sight-seeing the Yawata flat ski site, Yawata flat ロッヂ of the sight-seeing hotel which is established, developing the stand dining room business of the northeast automatic driveway rising line Iwate mountain service area (SA). With decrease of the entering customer to the ski site and the hotel, the business reorganization which includes the withdrawal from the ski site and hotel business is examined. City for continuing the same ski site, negotiating enterprise and the management taking over the inside and outside the prefecture which is the result of ski site management. Including also the prefecture, it conferred, but you say that deterioration of facility such as lift was advanced, ended out of order. As for 2007 March period balancing of accounts of Yawata flat sight-seeing you sell, approximately 620000000 Yen, as for this term profit the deficit of approximately 19000000 Yen. The sale of the same ski site approximately 100000000 Yen 1993 decreased 06 to approximately 25000000 Yen in peak. Yawata flat ロッヂ has suspended business from this spring. The Kudou Mikio routine work of Yawata flat sight-seeing "with the financial institution and the prefecture and Yawata flat city ski site continuance conferred business reorganization in prerequisite. (Management is made to take over but, city you gave up) as a Yawata flat sight-seeing we would like to search the enterprise. This season you say the ski site it does business ". When the ski site is closed temporarily completely, inside the site because of the national forest, returning such as lift removal and afforestation being necessary, enormous cost is anticipated. Flat Mayor Yawata Masahiko Tamura gave up the fact that you find ahead taking over the management "as a city. Simply, for sight-seeing promotion of the Yawata Hirati limits for the same ski site continuance public finance there is the thought of bearing, would like to carefully observe Yawata flat sight-seeing and the correspondence of the prefecture "you say, but it is harsh circumstance. As a ski site inside the prefecture which Yawata flat ski site it was lifted was serviced the dragon establishment 1961 in the forest ski site (old Ashiro Cho) next becomes 2nd. Installing the lift 3 basis in national forest approximately 39 hectares. It was known as the ski site where it has history inside the prefecture also the Imperial Family authorized personnel visited. As for the frequency of entering in previous season 25000. 3rd sector Yawata flat sight-seeing manages from the time of founding. The prefectural north automobile became the head shareholder (stock holding ratio 40 2%) from 87. 26 employees. As for stock holding ratio of prefecture 19 5% and as for Yawata flat city 2% etc.. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 that's babel fish for you. Link to post Share on other sites
me jane 0 Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Originally Posted By: Peter North Why don't you actually write something that I can understand? What is the content of that link? Having a rough day, Peter? I understood it. You just need more practise Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted November 12, 2007 Author Share Posted November 12, 2007 The day they sort it out translators will become proof readers Link to post Share on other sites
samurai 0 Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 is that all it's going for? 190man? Any hunting on that land? Link to post Share on other sites
NoFakie 45 Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Perhaps they could give President "three boat" Hiroshi a pay cut. Machine translation has been "five years away" for the past thirty years. Presumably, by "open gates" Fatty means the resort having no roped off terrain. Its what Hachimantai is famous for. Link to post Share on other sites
Go Native 70 Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 As far as I understand the domestic skier market has been decreasing dramatically since the days of the bubble. I'm surprised there are still so many ski resorts able to operate as it is. I'd reckon there will be many more closures over the coming years. Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted November 13, 2007 Author Share Posted November 13, 2007 You are right GN there many resorts do have to close. Some big ones might even go like Arai. To be honest Japan doesnt need 500 resorts and although people hate line-ups, resorts cant make money without filling the slopes. Most resorts dont own the real estate anyways that brings in heaps of money. Niseko accom aside has the resort ski side posted profits yet? Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 well the operators don't help there. They buy loads of season tickets at the very reasonable season ticket rate or lower since they'd be with the chamber of commerce or something, and then sell them to their guests. Say a 10 day pass would normally cost 38,000Y The operator will offer the season ticket for 10 days at say, 35,000, saving the guest 3,000 But hold on, the seson ticket costs 87,000 for the whole season (lets say 5 months or 150 days) so that works out at 580Y per day. So IF there are guests for every day of the season, then the pass has a potential of turning over 15x35000 = 525,000. Take out the cost of 87,000, then you have a nice little profit of 438,000 per pass courtesy of Niseko United. Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted November 13, 2007 Author Share Posted November 13, 2007 Ive never heard of a resort selling seasons tickets like that. Link to post Share on other sites
abelere 0 Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 that sounds like a pretty good deal for the people who own businesses in ski resorts. anyway to make an extra buck, cant blame em. Link to post Share on other sites
samurai 0 Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 actually, when I rode hachimantai last season, daver and I were shocked they were open. This isn't surprising to me at all. What is surprising, however, is that they still fail to market overseas. Link to post Share on other sites
soubriquet 0 Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 No speak Engrish, and no have imagination. Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted November 13, 2007 Author Share Posted November 13, 2007 Access will always kill them in the end. Look Canada has some better mountains than Whistler or Blackcomb but in the end it comes do to Access. If you can get people to it you can make money. There are quite a few resorts that should be closed if you just look at it that way. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 who do you need to convince the bus companies to go direct from Narita to Hakuba on a scheduled basis. That is the difference. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Start up your own bus company, drive direct to the places from Narita! Link to post Share on other sites
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