big-will 7 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 Just sat here watching the mens mogul qualifying on the Japanese tv. Wow. Those guys go FAST. Looking at them I imagine myself at the top of the hill - and probably taking about 10 minutes to get down whilst swearing a lot. Those knees bobbing up and down! I'm actually laughing watching them. Mad. Link to post Share on other sites
SKI 15 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 It is great watching them isn't it. Link to post Share on other sites
SKI 15 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 The 1st, 2nd, 3rd sofas are quite good too. Link to post Share on other sites
Metabo Oyaji 71 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 What channel? I can't find it anywhere. Only jumping and Nordic combined. Link to post Share on other sites
SKI 15 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 NHK BS1 Link to post Share on other sites
Metabo Oyaji 71 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 Never mind, found it. Oops, messages crossed. Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites
HelperElfMissy 42 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 All I can think about is how much pain I would be in at the bottom - if I made it in one piece at all. They are incredible! Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 whats the point of the mogul competition? Link to post Share on other sites
HelperElfMissy 42 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 Well ya know I was thinking just today while watching it - how in heck did it evolve as a sport.. It looks a lot more fun on ski's than it is on a snowboard... but STILL... ouch! Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 i don't mean that though, I just mean how exactly does somebody win....I can't work it out. Is it artisic interpretation? Link to post Share on other sites
RobBright 35 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 Speed, points and air time have something to do with it I think. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 yeah but its not 1st to the finish right? so a judge awards points for "How" they came down the slope? Link to post Share on other sites
Metabo Oyaji 71 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 The scoring goes something like: 50% turns 25% air 25% speed Not sure how the first two items are scored, however. Link to post Share on other sites
Metabo Oyaji 71 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 Fun (and inspiring!) event to watch, however. Link to post Share on other sites
spook 0 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 i dig watching olympic moguls, but can't for the life of me image how it is fun. whenever i encounter them on the hill i groan, curse, then groan again. i'm sure some people get off on them, but i have no idea why Link to post Share on other sites
HelperElfMissy 42 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 I heard them talking about that... The turns are marked on stuff like separation in the ski's and the upper body being stable or not with 'deductions' for every transgression. The air marked similarly with specific deductions for imprecise body positions and landings. One of the things they were looking for was landing off centre from the actual jump - to the left or right of it. It was fascinating listening to how they quantify it. Link to post Share on other sites
spook 0 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 seriously can't believe the airs mogulers do, and hen land and ride out through the bumps. nuts Link to post Share on other sites
Jynxx 4 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 The judging on artistic competitions evolve, and what get's more points changes so I cannot comment on what goes now. But, when we were doing it, Straight down the fall line. Any deviations would be considered avoiding, mistimed, loss of balance. Had to go down without the upper body moving sideways or up and down. I think the moguls and jumps are bigger now, it's hardcore! in my days if you can do a helicopter (360) , that was considered big. If you killed too much speed that was loss of points. I think the way we did it was to have a pro demo guy go straight down fast, and set down reference time and from that took off some seconds (I can't remember) and that became maximum time to finish before losing points. Link to post Share on other sites
grungy-gonads 54 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 I find it amusing watching them. Especially that last girly wiggly bit at the end. Link to post Share on other sites
JA2340 16 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 Originally Posted By: Mamabear The turns are marked on stuff like separation in the ski's and the upper body being stable or not with 'deductions' for every transgression. The air marked similarly with specific deductions for imprecise body positions and landings. One of the things they were looking for was landing off centre from the actual jump - to the left or right of it. It was fascinating listening to how they quantify it. I am not sure that there are "deductions" from the perfect score, however (I'm prepared to be proven wrong, but a quick google didn't turn up a precise definition). Because of the differential in Degree of Difficulty (DD) in the various jumps, it would be more like diving where the jump is scored form 1-10 and then the multiplier if the DD is applied to the total. Otherwise, every judge has to know exactly what jump is being attempted (and the skier can change if the conditions aren't right) and the DD for that. As I said, I'm happy to be proved wrong, but that just seems to make more sense to me. Oh, and having been a competitive diver, I DO know the process, because the choice of dive can make a huge difference, as could the choice of jump in moguls. Link to post Share on other sites
BagOfCrisps 24 Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 Originally Posted By: grungy-gonads IEspecially that last girly wiggly bit at the end. yes, yes Link to post Share on other sites
Nisoko 6 Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 I look at those mogulers and think No thank! amazing as they most surely are What kind of skis do they use? Link to post Share on other sites
gerard 6 Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 I like moguls but it's a fine line between heaven and hell and often that line is the freezing point. Give me slushy moguls any day but icy moguls? Not for me. Actually the women were skiing on really nice slushy moguls but it looked a little colder for the men the next day. Link to post Share on other sites
SKI 15 Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 With you there ger, though I'm not that much of a fan of moguls on any day. Those guys and gals bobbing down the mogul courses amaze me they make it looks easy. Icy sculpted moguls yikes that is awful. I was at Hakkaisan once where there are LOTS of moguls. It was icy as hell now a bit of softness anywhere. Nightmare. Link to post Share on other sites
rach 1 Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 I remember once I went 'the wrong way' at Nozawa and was confronted with that Schneider mogul course. Was in a bad mood by the time I got down there! I like watching them mogul dudes though. So fast! Link to post Share on other sites
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