BagOfCrisps 24 Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Quote: A haggis recipe was published in an English book almost two hundred years before any evidence of the dish in Scotland, an historian has claimed. Historian Catherine Brown told the Daily Telegraph that she found references to the dish inside a 1616 book called The English Hus-Wife. The title would pre-date Robert Burns' poem To A Haggis by 171 years. But ex-world champion haggis maker Robert Patrick insisted: "Nobody's going to believe it." 'English dish' Ms Brown said the book, by Gervase Markham, indicates that haggis was first eaten in England and subsequently popularised by the Scots. She told the paper that the first mention she could find of Scottish haggis was in 1747. "It was originally an English dish. In 1615, Gervase Markham says that it is very popular among all people in England," she said. "By the middle of the 18th century another English cookery writer, Hannah Glasse, has a recipe that she calls Scotch haggis, the haggis that we know today." Whatever, someone out to be punished. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 If this is true, and I have no reason to believe that it is, then the English have one more crime against food. Link to post Share on other sites
scouser 4 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I don't think I have ever tried a real, proper haggis. Not sure I want to. Link to post Share on other sites
big-will 7 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Latest A former world champion haggis maker today defended Scotland's claim to the dish after a food historian said the first recipe she could find for the dish was in an English book. Catherine Brown caused consternation by citing the first printed reference to haggis as being in a book called The English Hus-Wife, from 1615 – well before the first Scottish mention, in 1747, and 171 years ahead of Robert Burns's paean to "the great chieftain o' the puddin' race". Brown said the book, by Gervase Markham, indicated haggis was first eaten in England before being popularised in Scotland. Robert Patrick, from the butchers Patricks of Camelon, in Falkirk, said: "I find it hard to believe. I think we can still call it Scottish. There could well be some recipe in England that's similar. But the things that go in it are Scottish. There's a lot of mutton and oatmeal in the product." Patrick, who was world champion haggis maker in 2003/4 and runner-up in 2007/8, said: "I am sure the customers will be as upset as me to think that England will steal our recipe." Brown is standing firm, however. "It was originally an English dish. In 1615, Gervase Markham says it is very popular among all people in England. By the middle of the 18th century another English cookery writer, Hannah Glasse, has a recipe that she calls Scotch haggis, the haggis that we know today." Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Gervase Link to post Share on other sites
TheOrange 0 Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 I've never had one. Are they good? (perhaps a question to our Scottish friends) Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 yeah Haggis is good. Just have to NOT think of its ingredients!! Haggis is Scottish, just because it said in a book from 1600's that English people ate it means nothing.....we were just too dumb to read and write!! TBH it was probably eaten all over the Celtic British Isles in 1 form or another. White Puddings are not unlike Haggis, just that Haggis has mutton in it as well. Vive Le Haggis!! Link to post Share on other sites
Error404 0 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 I had a proper haggis once. It tasted really good actually, wouldn't mind it again. Perhaps one of those things best tasted where they belong. Never had or even heard of a "White Pudding" though. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 black pudding uses the pig's blood. I'd guess the white pudding uses the pig's "white stuff" Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 I had a haggis. It was a bit too nutty in texture for me. I would prefer a smoother one. Thes spices and flavour was very rich. Good with whisky. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 white pudding is basically just oatmeal and some spices, very good. Link to post Share on other sites
RobBright 35 Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 sod that - the scots can keep that poor excuse for food whilst I eat decent cuts of meat. Link to post Share on other sites
1 4 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 ...with fat on 'em, hey Rob? Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Originally Posted By: RobBright sod that - the scots can keep that poor excuse for food whilst I eat decent cuts of meat. there are no 'cuts' of meat in Haggis, its made from the internal organs of the sheep. As disgusting as that sounds, organ meat is actually very healthy for you as it contains almost 0 fat. That said I'd still rather tuck into a huge sirloin than a whole heart!! Link to post Share on other sites
dale#1 1 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Without a doubt! I am intrigued by it though - would like to try that and a proper black pudding too. Link to post Share on other sites
RobBright 35 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Organ meat is indeed healthy for you - but once you have cut up a frozen kidney and then had the smell of defrosting urine in front of you, it makes it very difficult to want to eat one. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 well I'm sure that would def put you off Rob!!! Link to post Share on other sites
klingon 10 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Yuck. Whats that 'meat' in Japanese that is basically sheeps bladder? Can't remember but..... no thanks! Link to post Share on other sites
RobBright 35 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Horumon? Well that is a catch all word really. Link to post Share on other sites
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