HelperElfMissy 42 Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2008-09/11/content_7018871.htm Originally Posted By: ABCOnlineNews A baby has died from kidney stones as a health scare involving possibly fake milk formula has spread across China. The baby died in north-west Gansu province, state-run media agency Xinhua quoted health officials as saying, but it was not clear if there was any link to milk powder in that case. The health scare has revived memories of a grim scandal involving fake milk powder that killed at least 13 babies in eastern China in 2004. WOW! How low must a person be to manufacture a knock off nil nutrient baby formula knowing that it is going to be fed to a poor defenseless infant causing harm? Link to post Share on other sites
BagOfCrisps 24 Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Very low. Lots of people are though, unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 This case is not counterfiting. The plant is the biggest in the country. Contaminination is suspected. Central gov are seeking death penalty scapegoats. Link to post Share on other sites
HelperElfMissy 42 Posted September 17, 2008 Author Share Posted September 17, 2008 http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/17/2366982.htm What can I say! Breastfeed people - breastfeed! Cheaper, more convenient and apparently a whole lot safer! Link to post Share on other sites
jared 0 Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 aparantly lots of the mums are in the cities working in factories and the grandparants are raising the kids at home - hence the no breast feeding. Link to post Share on other sites
HelperElfMissy 42 Posted September 17, 2008 Author Share Posted September 17, 2008 That is just tragic! Where possible women must start believing THEY provide the perfect nutrition for thier kids. Formula is a 2nd choice - it is not a premium product that has 'added' and 'improved' ingredients over human milk. Bottle feeding is sometimes necessary (need to work, clinical difficulties feeding etc) and is sometimes a great way to get a night out - but we are designed to provide our babies with the perfect nutrition on our own. I think the worst abuse of the impoverished has happened in 3rd world countries where baby formula has been flown in and promoted as better for babies than mothers milk, the mothers switch over - thier own supply drys up - but due to the cost of the formula they are watering it down, and watering it down with contaminated water as well. What happens - infant mortality goes up. Even in HIV infected mothers in the 3rd world it is safer and of greater health benefit for babies to breastfeed than to be fed on formula. In wealthier society where babies are given premium formula (uncontaminated) under perfect conditions there seems to be no harm, and the possible risk of HIV transfer leads to medical recommendation NOT to breastfeed. It is just so sad that helpless little children suffer. Link to post Share on other sites
nzlegend 1 Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Quote: WOW! How low must a person be to manufacture a knock off nil nutrient baby formula how low must a company be to own a 43% stake in the company that made the dodgy powder...oh, that would be Fonterra - New Zealand's largest company: a massive co-op of NZ dairy farmers controlling handling over a third of all international dairy trade. Fonterra have been very aggressive in expanding their market. They seem hell bent on taking over the dairy world and it appears they put their fingers in a rotten pie in China. Link to post Share on other sites
Slippery Jim 65 Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 [[breastfeed people - breastfeed! Cheaper, more convenient and apparently a whole lot safer!]] And the containers are so much cuter! Link to post Share on other sites
Go Native 70 Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 What do you expect from a country where human life is worth nothing? Link to post Share on other sites
Ezorisu 0 Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 A country where life is worth nothing? That would be the DPRK. Life has value in the PRC, but apparently the "cultural revolution" managed to sweep morality out the door along with whatever "decadent" ideas they were trying to rid themselves of. Milk + melamine = higher nitrogen levels = false high reading on protein content test = more $$$ Blame the new "free market economy" and/or the PRC's business leaders' ability to adapt to it. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 it's corrupt moral fibre. The government can't do much as there are so many diseased minds out there. The perps should be rounded up and executed. Link to post Share on other sites
journey_man 0 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Or force fed contaminated formula Link to post Share on other sites
Ezorisu 0 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Now that would be justice! Link to post Share on other sites
JA2340 16 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 But, MELAMINE?? What were they thinking? Surely there are easier (and a tiny bit safer, not to mention cheaper) ways to boost the protein readings? (NB I'm not a food scientist, so don't know for sure, but I feel that something must be available) Link to post Share on other sites
Ezorisu 0 Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 I'm sure safety is the least concern of the people perpetrating this mess. They use melamine because it causes a spike in nitrogen levels which "fools" the low-tech protein test they are using into posting higher numbers. It was the same trick they used to make "high-protein wheat gluten" to sell to human food/pet food makers a couple of years back. Melamine is cheap and apparently readily available in the PRC. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 it's more terrible than first thought. Even some Nestle products are tainted. Prepare for a run on Japanese milk powder. Link to post Share on other sites
Rag-Doll 0 Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Originally Posted By: thursday it's corrupt moral fibre. The government can't do much as there are so many diseased minds out there. The perps should be rounded up and executed. Fortunately, that is probably what will happen. Link to post Share on other sites
Ezorisu 0 Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Originally Posted By: thursday it's more terrible than first thought. Even some Nestle products are tainted. Prepare for a run on Japanese milk powder. There was a story running on the news here this weekend (was it NHK? I can't remember) that there has been a run in the PRC on fresh milk sold by the Asahi group. Though normally known for beer worldwide, one of their main businesses in China is in the dairy industry. They own and control all their cattle, and none of the milk production is outsourced. Each individual cow has an RFID chip on a little ankle bracelet. I'm sure the stuff isn't cheap compared to other stuff on the market, but I'm sure the consumer confidence in the product is significantly higher. Link to post Share on other sites
HelperElfMissy 42 Posted September 24, 2008 Author Share Posted September 24, 2008 I've been drinking Asahi beer (among other things)this weekend. But I DID NOT know they did milk too! Diverse! Link to post Share on other sites
Ezorisu 0 Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 As far as I know, they make some soft drinks within Japan, but don't do milk. That came as a surprise to me too! Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Japanese Corporations have their fingers in many pies, I've stopped becoming surprised when I hear of a well known J-company that sells diverse products not instanatly associated with them Link to post Share on other sites
Ezorisu 0 Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 There are different anti-trust laws within Japan that allow companies like say, Mitsubishi to make ships, planes, terrible cars, and televisions. That kind of thing wouldn't go in the States (not sure about Oz). A lot of those giant conglomerates have been broken up in recent years due to bankruptcies or litigation, but then you get companies like Honda that just opened an aircraft division. One of the scary ones is Japan Tobacco. Obviously, they make ciggys, but if you've ever seen a soft drink with a "JT" on the cap, that's theirs! Link to post Share on other sites
JA2340 16 Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 In Oz, we have multiple ownerships of businesses, so BHP, which USED to be simply a mining company, then branched out into steelmaking - also own a big slice of oil & gas exploration in Oz, as well as bit parts in many other things. Now gone global (BHP Billiton) they own a shirtload of things far removed from their origins. Trying to track down the actual ownership of companies is interesting. It sometimes gives a great insight into the reasoning behind what might, at first glance, appear to be a dumb corporate decision. It is only when you realise the connections, and the possible ramifications of the decision for other (often more profitable) parts of the conglomerate, that you see that a dumb decision for one part actually makes huge sense in the overall scheme. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 who makes Calpis? Link to post Share on other sites
me jane 0 Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 JT also has a research division working at finding cures for cancer, HIV and the like. Link to post Share on other sites
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