soubriquet 0 Posted April 30, 2008 Author Share Posted April 30, 2008 Oops. I was wrong about carbon fibre tubs. I drove Italian cars for more than 20 years because I like the way they drive. I've never been a Ferrari fan though. Would you buy a second-hand car from this man? A bit of double-sided tape will soon fix this up. Link to post Share on other sites
BagOfCrisps 24 Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 that 2nd pic there is wild. What happened there? Link to post Share on other sites
nzlegend 1 Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 there are some crashes which will almost always be fatal no matter how safe the equipment, even a 2008 F1 car would struggle with the physics of the following annihilation. *Warning* a shocking accident, where a car and it's driver completely and utterly disintegrate Gordon Smiley in the 1982 Indy 500, ignoring the advice of his older wiser peers, by counter steering slides on the banked oval got caught out at 330kph and ploughed straight into the concrete wall. He had done it (counter steer) several times and gotten away with it before his fatal wreck, but the law of averages caught up with him big time Quote: "During an attempt to qualify for the Indy 500, Gordon Smiley, a cocky young driver from Texas, was determined to break 200 mph or die trying. Several veteran drivers...had warned him that he was in way over his head, driving all wrong for the Speedway. Smiley was a road racer and was used to counter-steering his car to avoid a crash if the rear wheels broke traction. While rushing to the car, I noticed small splotches of a peculiar gray substance marking a trail on the asphalt leading up to the driver. When I reached the car, I was shocked to see that Smiley's helmet was gone, along with the top of his skull. He had essentially been scalped by the debris fence. The material on the race track was most of his brain. His helmet, due to massive centrifugal force, was literally pulled from his head on impact...I rode to the care center with the body. On the way in I performed a cursory examination and realized that nearly every bone in his body was shattered. He had a gaping wound in his side that looked as if he had been attacked by a large shark. I had never seen such trauma." (Rapid Response, pp 98-99)Dr Steve Olvey, Indycar Medical Director between 1979 and 2003,. Link to post Share on other sites
snowbender 3 Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 Wow that was shocking. Link to post Share on other sites
soubriquet 0 Posted May 3, 2008 Author Share Posted May 3, 2008 The broken Ferrari is reputed to be the repaired tub from the accident where Schumacher broke his leg (1999?). That is disputed though, although apparently it is from the same series. McLaren introduced the MP4/1 in 1981. Smiley's 1982 Indy accident would have been in an aluminium honeycomb car. You can see it telescope as it hits the wall. I wouldn't claim that carbon fibre would have saved him, but it would have offered better protection. Link to post Share on other sites
soubriquet 0 Posted May 3, 2008 Author Share Posted May 3, 2008 Here's de Cesaris living up to his reputation in the MP4/1. I guess Bibendum wasn't too confident about the brands used in the tyre wall. Link to post Share on other sites
nzlegend 1 Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 Andrea de Crasheris? He didn't finish too many races did he? awful lot of "Ret" in his career chart. You wonder how someone with such a mediocre career managed to last so long. In he mid 90's there was Ukyo Katayama who had an equally mediocre career. He became a folk-hero on a weekly sports chat show in NZ called 'TAB sports cafe', they finished their weekly round up of the news with Katayama crashing, it was their running joke and he obliged by providing plenty of content. Link to post Share on other sites
brit-gob 9 Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 F1 about to start, Massa on pole 1. Felipe Massa (Bra) Ferrari one minute, 27.617 secs 2. Heikki Kovalainen (Fin) McLaren-Mercedes 1:27.808 3. Lewis Hamilton (GB) McLaren-Mercedes 1:27.923 4. Kimi Raikkonen (Fin) Ferrari 1:27.936 5. Robert Kubica (Pol) BMW Sauber 1:28.390 6. Mark Webber (Aus) Red Bull-Renault 1:28.417 7. Fernando Alonso (Spa) Renault 1:28.422 8. Jarno Trulli (Ita) Toyota 1:28.836 9. Nick Heidfeld (Ger) BMW Sauber 1:28.882 10. David Coulthard (GB) Red Bull-Renault 1:29.959 11. Nico Rosberg (Ger) Williams-Toyota 1:27.012 12. Rubens Barrichello (Brz) Honda 1:27.219 13. Jenson Button (GB) Honda 1:27.298 14. Sebastian Vettel (Ger) Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:27.412 15. Timo Glock (Ger) Toyota 1:27.806 16. Kazuki Nakajima (Jpn) Williams-Toyota 1:27.547 17. Nelson Piquet Jr (Brz) Renault 1:27.568 18. Sebastien Bourdais (Fra) Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:27.621 19. Giancarlo Fisichella (Ita) Force India-Ferrari 1:27.807 20. Adrian Sutil (Ger) Force India-Ferrari 1:28.325 Link to post Share on other sites
grungy-gonads 54 Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 I wonder if there'll be any, shock, OVERTAKING!!!!???! Link to post Share on other sites
soubriquet 0 Posted May 26, 2008 Author Share Posted May 26, 2008 Very happy with the Monaco result. Sutil/Force India must be gutted. Staying up late to watch the race reminded me of times past. I used to watch them all, but the ex- hated me staying up 14 times per year, and used to give me heaps of grief. I stopped watching. I don't get the grief any more. Anyone here get a bollocking for watching their sport? Link to post Share on other sites
journey_man 0 Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Originally Posted By: SG "For him to come out of it, then it's just another great example of what has happened with safety over the years," Sir Jackie Stewart said. "If it had been in my day he wouldn't have walked away from that. Not a hope in hell. Watching it and seeing how deeply it was buried was just atrocious. It's a miracle really because there was no deceleration at all. The car just went straight." Wouldn't it be good if our consumer grade cars had some of this technology and didn't fold up like a deck of cards at the slightest dent... Link to post Share on other sites
journey_man 0 Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Awesome race! Daytime for me too... Link to post Share on other sites
soubriquet 0 Posted May 26, 2008 Author Share Posted May 26, 2008 I'm not quite clear if I understand you. I have a monster scar on my face from hitting the dashboard as an unrestrained child in about 1961. The technology has moved substantially since then. Link to post Share on other sites
frannyo 2 Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Good one to watch that. For all Monaco's lack of overtaking etc, it often give us a fair bit of entertainment. Link to post Share on other sites
journey_man 0 Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Originally Posted By: soubriquet I'm not quite clear if I understand you. I have a monster scar on my face from hitting the dashboard as an unrestrained child in about 1961. The technology has moved substantially since then. I mean that if I crash at 100km into something solid in a modern car I have a really good chance of dying. If I did the same in a F1 car it is quite likely would be I'd walk away unscathed. Lets make F1 safety available in modern cars. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Anybody still driving around without a blet and without airbags all round? I changed my car from a dual airbag model to an 11 bag allround bouncing balloon model. Link to post Share on other sites
soubriquet 0 Posted May 26, 2008 Author Share Posted May 26, 2008 Modern cars are safe. Thankfully the Morris Marina is a thing of the past. My ex- wifes's father thought this piece of shite was England's masterpiece. The VW Beetle pumps carbon monoxide directly into the cabin from the exhaust system. You'd have thought that Germans would have learned from their experience of mobile gas chambers, but these things are still in production. Other than the German Shitheap, modern cars are safe. Link to post Share on other sites
journey_man 0 Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Originally Posted By: soubriquet Modern cars are safe. Compared with the cell technology of F1 cars consumer cars are hopeless. F1 technology costs heaps more, so this is the real issue. If you are going to race a consumer car on the race track the first thing you have to do is fit a roll cage. Nuff said. Originally Posted By: soubriquet The VW Beetle pumps carbon monoxide directly into the cabin from the exhaust system. Errr, maybe not. Tell the whole story! You know, the one about which Beatles and the one about rust... Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 anybody who is rich enough and paranoid enough can get himself an armour plated Pullman. That is a road car that dents roads. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 McLaren F1 has lots of carbon fibre and F1 tech. That'll probably be safe too. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Not to mention the Hummers. Link to post Share on other sites
soubriquet 0 Posted May 26, 2008 Author Share Posted May 26, 2008 Quote: Errr, maybe not. Tell the whole story! You know, the one about which Beatles and the one about rust... Simple. Beetles used air-to-air heater. Whenever the exhaust leaked (which it invariably did) they blead carbon monoxide into the cabin. How do you spell "Mobile gas chamber'. Link to post Share on other sites
journey_man 0 Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Originally Posted By: thursday. Not to mention the Hummers. Really? Sure Hummer against something small is a given, but Hummer against something solid? 4wd's are usually the worst performers. Link to post Share on other sites
journey_man 0 Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Originally Posted By: thursday. anybody who is rich enough and paranoid enough can get himself an armour plated Pullman. That is a road car that dents roads. My implied point was if all the manufactures did it for all cars then the cost of this sort of safety wouldn't be that high. Link to post Share on other sites
nzlegend 1 Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 hey chaps, lets get back onto the F1 2008 hey? anyway, that was a great race to watch, watched it live via speedtv (good english commentary) at a resonable hour (japan time) on the internet (free streaming). Raikkonen is wont be on Sutil's Xmas card list this year at all, Sutil must be absolutely gutted. Nick Heidfield had an appalling race, 4 -5 times on the pits? Jenson Button must be the easiest guy to overtake, even my nana could get past him. I just know Piquet would stack it when they put slicks on his car, Alonso was barely holding it together and then they put Piquet on them, crazy stuff. Unless he improves his overall game, it will be a very quick first stint in F1 for Piquet, Lewis must have been gutted to lose his 40 secs lead at the time, didnt matter in the end though. Kubica is going to get a win soon, its inevitable. Barrichello in the points - hisahiburi for that! Webber is having great season, he will get a podium before the season is out. Vettel, good to see him get some points. Nakajima is quietly achieving. Massa was Massa Monaco is crazy race, I would love to take a lap in a sports car around it. Link to post Share on other sites
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