spacefrog 0 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Originally Posted By: Mantas A bit heavy handed. I think they had the right to eject him from the venue though. Obviously you never went to Uni. Anyway He was being a model American by excercising his 1st constitutional amendment. And too right he did it too. I would like to say this is unbelievable but it isn`t really.America is being conditioned as a police state since Reagan. Long live Alex Jones the voice of reason. Police state 911 baby. Link to post Share on other sites
spacefrog 0 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-82095917705734983 well watch this and yes Kerry is a bonesman. Watch out for hillary too!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Originally Posted By: spacefrog Originally Posted By: Mantas A bit heavy handed. I think they had the right to eject him from the venue though. Obviously you never went to Uni.... Spacefrog, you obviously don't want to be saying things like that here. How can anyone presume the level of education anyone here has attained. For all you know Mantas may be a Professor or something. Smudging on someone's education does not invalidate someone's opinion. Regards, Nobel Lauriette thursday. Link to post Share on other sites
spacefrog 0 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Yes indeed and if you had gone to uni you would have managed to comprehend that universities are notorious for free speech, subversive ideas, downright rebellion and pillorying politicians. Assumption about level is irrelevant. Professor Emeritus Spacefrog Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 the uni I went to was for drinking, fornication, sports and rag weeks. I must've missed something. Regards, Jedi Master Yoda's toerag Link to post Share on other sites
soubriquet 0 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 You obviously went to the wrong university, thursday. It's spelled "fornication". Didn't they teach you nuffink? Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 ah, I corrected before you posted. So doesn't count hahaha. But what is that anyway???? Link to post Share on other sites
soubriquet 0 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Some religious fantasy Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 I went to Uni as well and there was none of that shite going on. I don't know if UK universities are as subversive as US ones, I think that UK uni's are there simply to allow young people to avoid getting a job and drink and shag until you black out, I know I did!! Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 what? drink until you black out or shagged until you blacked out? The latter would mean you haven't got enough bloood to operate at both ends at the same time. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 both! Link to post Share on other sites
Mantas 3 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Originally Posted By: spacefrog Originally Posted By: Mantas A bit heavy handed. I think they had the right to eject him from the venue though. Obviously you never went to Uni. No your right Spacefrog, I never went to Uni. I was out working and paying taxes from the age of 15. Dont worry I got your point and I know you didn't mean any offence. None taken. Imagine if you will that everyone in that hall wanted to 'exercise their right to free speech'. in the same way as our old mate did . We are talking about hundreds of people are we not? How long would that take? What would be the point of having Kerry, or anyone, as a guest speaker? You would never get to hear them speak! Someone had to impose order somewhere. It was the way they went about it that is the issue. Link to post Share on other sites
Mantas 3 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Originally Posted By: thursday the uni I went to was for drinking, fornication, sports and rag weeks. I must've missed something. Regards, Jedi Master Yoda's toerag Did you go to uni in Oz? Link to post Share on other sites
Go Native 70 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 The guy was obviously there to make a scene and supposedly much of his so called questions were actually just statements and there was quite a queue of other people waiting to ask questions. He was told he'd had enough time and they switched off the mike. He still didn't leave and so the police stepped in to escort him away from the mike. He struggled with the police and frankly that is never a good idea no matter what you are doing and how righteous you feel. The police certainly warned him that if he did not comply (put his hands behind his back to be cuffed) that they would taser him. He didn't comply but just yelled "don't tase me dude" and so they of course tased him (he complied pretty damn quick after that). Sure the police could have, with a fair amount of physical effort, got his arms back to be cuffed but why put in all that effort and potentially hurt yourself when you can just taser the guy and usually get immediate compliance without any further risk to yourself? I'm all for political activism and free speech but this guy was really just trying to take over the whole forum to get his political message across when others also wished to take part. Still he's got his 15 mins of fame. I wonder what monetary offers he'll receive to appear on talk shows and give exclusive interviews.... Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 the point was that four pigs were sitting on him and still they tasered him. If I had 4 pigs on top of me, I would not be able to breathe and no torture necessary as I would certainly comply. The guy is not likeable, but the situation could have been handled in a normal way, no taser necessary. Link to post Share on other sites
spacefrog 0 Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 The point is he raised a valid point which was totally unamerican. How dare you criticise a government in war even it is the opposition. or wait he was denied his first ammendment right. Begs the question what activity is considered unamerican. And seriously he raised a valid point and was assaulted by a group of people too stupid to be there out of their uniform. Offered no resistance and was clearly no threat and he gets tasered. The United States of Hypocrisy is really becoming a danger to the free world. The fact that anyone could even agree with him being subdued is the sad thing. This what the US has become, it is a authoritarian police state that is far more scary than north korea or any other state that springs to mind.They just learned from others mistakes how to influence public opinion. Link to post Share on other sites
Go Native 70 Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 You seem pretty antagonistic towards law enforcement officers Thursday. Had a few run-ins with them yourself by chance? Link to post Share on other sites
Go Native 70 Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Quote: And seriously he raised a valid point Exactly what point was that spacefrog? Quote: Offered no resistance and was clearly no threat Have you actually seen any of the footage or not? He somewhat forcefully attempted to wrench himself free from the grip of the first officers who grabbed him. He continued to struggle and refused to allow his arms to be placed behind him to be cuffed. He received repeated warnings that if he continued to fail to comply and cease struggling he would be tasered. I guess he figured that with everyone there and the cameras rolling that they wouldn't actually do it. It shouldn't be that police have to put themselves physically at risk from injury when they have other means at their disposal (like a taser). Quote: The fact that anyone could even agree with him being subdued is the sad thing. This what the US has become, it is a authoritarian police state that is far more scary than north korea or any other state that springs to mind. So should this guy should have been allowed to continue with his tirade and asking more and more questions, punctuated with his own personal political statements as long as he desired? Should all the others waiting to ask questions of their own missed the opportunity whilst this guy made his big political debut? How many questions is it fair to give one person when there are many others with questions and there is limited time? If it is decided that this guy has had enough question time and he refuses to leave what do you do? This guy was told politely enough that he'd asked enough questions and to please step away from the mike. He refused to do so and the police (the security for the event) attempted to remove him. He failed to comply with police requests and got the consequences. Using a taser to reduce the risk of injury to police officers is fine with me. Link to post Share on other sites
samurai 0 Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Originally Posted By: spacefrog The point is he raised a valid point which was totally unamerican. How dare you criticise a government in war even it is the opposition. or wait he was denied his first ammendment right. Begs the question what activity is considered unamerican. And seriously he raised a valid point and was assaulted by a group of people too stupid to be there out of their uniform. Offered no resistance and was clearly no threat and he gets tasered. The United States of Hypocrisy is really becoming a danger to the free world. The fact that anyone could even agree with him being subdued is the sad thing. This what the US has become, it is a authoritarian police state that is far more scary than north korea or any other state that springs to mind.They just learned from others mistakes how to influence public opinion. wow. Link to post Share on other sites
spook 0 Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Originally Posted By: Go Native This guy was told politely enough that he'd asked enough questions and to please step away from the mike. He refused to do so and the police (the security for the event) attempted to remove him. He failed to comply with police requests and got the consequences. Using a taser to reduce the risk of injury to police officers is fine with me. in the circumstances it is hard to put forward an argument that it was a reasonable use of force by the police. step outside of the boundaries where it is reasonable to use a taser and it becomes an assault. i've only seen 2 vids of the incident, so i could be wrong - but while he was hogging the limelight and being a general pain, he seemed to be general polite. kerry agreed to answer the questions (if the cops had let kerry respond, he would have shut the dude down and that would have been the end of it). to me, the guy had done absolutely nothing illegal and the police had no right to forcibly eject him. in those circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to resist a wrongful arrest Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Originally Posted By: spook Originally Posted By: Go Native This guy was told politely enough that he'd asked enough questions and to please step away from the mike. He refused to do so and the police (the security for the event) attempted to remove him. He failed to comply with police requests and got the consequences. Using a taser to reduce the risk of injury to police officers is fine with me. in the circumstances it is hard to put forward an argument that it was a reasonable use of force by the police. step outside of the boundaries where it is reasonable to use a taser and it becomes an assault. i've only seen 2 vids of the incident, so i could be wrong - but while he was hogging the limelight and being a general pain, he seemed to be general polite. kerry agreed to answer the questions (if the cops had let kerry respond, he would have shut the dude down and that would have been the end of it). to me, the guy had done absolutely nothing illegal and the police had no right to forcibly eject him. in those circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to resist a wrongful arrest Link to post Share on other sites
NoFakie 45 Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Bong Hits 4 Jesus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_v._Frederick Link to post Share on other sites
spook 0 Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 but in this case, as far as i can tell, no illegal act had taken place, nor was he advocating anything illegal bong on indeed Link to post Share on other sites
Mantas 3 Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 This whole debate is skewed. Why is everyone making the assumption that he was ejected from the venue and treated as he was, because of his political views or the fact that he was voicing them? I'm not convinced his right to free speech was violated here. It was basically a one way tirade. He wasn't even remotely interested in what Kerry had to say. The fact that he was making politically charged statements is irrelevant. He might as well have been reciting verses from Shakespeare's Merchant of Venice for all the security guards cared. Link to post Share on other sites
Kumapix 0 Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 basically, he was tasered when he was lying face down with his hands behind his back and about 4 officers (including a big guy) with their knees on his back. I think he was hauled away appropriately but their taser timing was ass. Link to post Share on other sites
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