Steve 'crocodile hunter' Irwin dead

[damian 0]

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Interestingly Irwin and Attenborough shared something in common other than wildlife documentaries, both have been intensively parodied for their styles of delivery.

And I thought you were going to say that they were both pillow biters. Irwin is a clear cut closet poof, but Attenborough, he's way to conservative to be queer.

[Ocean11 0]

Thanks for pointing that out Snowglider. I wasn't too sure about which Attenborough was who.

[Mantas 3]

Attenborough vs Stevo

 

Attenborough- a highly intelligent man with an immpecably long career in wildife doumentary presentation. Well educated and commited to conservation. His documentarys were very informative and well presented but predominately aimed at viewers with a particular interest in the subject of his presentation.

I can't comment accurately on the man himself, only to guess he also devoted a large amount of his own time and money to worthy environmental causes. But nothing to the scale of Stevo's.

 

Stevo- A man of questionable intelligence and a basic education ( in the formal sense ) He would've been the first person to admit this. He had a boots and all, in your face type of presentation that appealled to the masses ( or 'nuckle dragging neaderthals' as some of the elitest snobs of this forum like to call them ).He was reaching kids as young as 2 with his Wiggles videos, convieing important messages about conservation and animals He repeatedly told the kids " don't do this at home " and" look but don't touch".

Through his crazy antics and hyperactive presentations, the previously uninterested masses soon started to tune in to watch this crazy bastard, particularly in the US. The finacial windfall was soon to follow. Irwin inc. became a multi million dollar operation.

So what did Stevo and his family decide to do with all this new found wealth ? Did he prance around displaying all the trappings of success like so many other useless pricks in this world. No he pumped all this money back into some very important wildlife protection programs. He bought big tracts of land throughout the world solely for the porpose of conservation.

 

Here is the key difference... While Attenborough prattled on about the problems the worlds eco systems were facing to his selected audience. Stevo was out there proactively doing things to change these problems.

 

 

http://www.wildlifewarriors.org.au/

 

Check out his Web site and see what he has achieved and when you have finished reading his list of acomplishments, it may take a few days, then get back to me and justify your villification of this man. How some of you can come out and call this guy the names you have and say such derogatory this about him ( based on your 2 or 3 TV appearences that you watched) before his body is even buried is beyond me. I would of though you had a higher level of social skill and intelligents than this.

 

Sure ! You don't have to like him. I was extremely embaressed at times when I watch him too. But this is no justification to denograte the mans memory.

 

 

( Please excuse my appalling spelling and typing, I didn't didn't fully complete my education at Knuckle Draggers High ! )

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[Ocean11 0]

[bushpig 0]

I'm not trying to belittle Steve here Mantas, but repeatedly telling kids "Don't do this at home" and then doing it himself is a sure way to get them to do it in my opinion. Kids learn by copying and mimmicking everything they see. Why should this be any different? Obviously many kids would heed his warnings, but for evry 10 that do, how many decide to follow the lead of the guy they admire and love to watch? I agree that his antics were highly entertaining, but I don't think you can use that angle of argument that kids wouldn't copy his actions.

[Mantas 3]

fair comment BP. the guy was far from perfect. I'm gerally trying to show the greater good here.

 

Come on Ocean ( with no 's' ) is that the best you can do ?

Surely you have more in your Smart Arse file to serve up !

[Ocean11 0]

> Sure ! You don't have to like him. I was extremely embaressed at times when I watch him too. But this is no justification to denograte the mans memory.

 

I said the same thing when he was alive. What, are all critical faculties automatically suspended for everyone when somebody dies? Get real. And when are you going to start admitting that his approach to wildlife wasn't so 'in total control' after all?

 

> ( Please excuse my appalling spelling and typing, I didn't didn't fully complete my education at Knuckle Draggers High ! )

 

No I won't excuse it. Nor will I excuse your passive-aggressive, apologizing-but-not, chip-on-the-shoulder defense. In the time it took you to type that line, you could have applied and learned from a spell checking function.

[bushpig 0]

cool. By the way, I reckon both side of this argument have proved their point, or at least made their position clear. Steve did a LOT for wildlife conservation, and deserves a dignified send-off. His style was enjoyed by many and irritating to many others. It doesn't need to be (in fact in my opinion shouldn't be) a comparison/competition between Steve and Attenborough. They were two very different guys with very different style - but both were passionate (regardless of presentation) about what they did. Many people saw Steve as a guy worthy of idolizing (for lack of a better word) whereas many others did not, and do not think much of the way in which Aussies tend to do this to blokes like Steve. I think we all understand each others argument right? Agree to disagree on this one, that's my call. Right now it seems we are just nit-picking each others arguments rather than saying "I hear ya, but I disagree"

[indosnm 0]

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Originally posted by Bushpig:
but repeatedly telling kids "Don't do this at home" and then doing it himself is a sure way to get them to do it in my opinion. Kids learn by copying and mimmicking everything they see. Why should this be any different?

, but I don't think you can use that angle of argument that kids wouldn't copy his actions.

Mmm, what did your kids do bushpig, when you were out walking though the scrub and you came along a rather large brown snake?
My eldest son and Japanese niece said " Better not touch!" in tune with the song from the stevo-wiggles DVD. Maybe they're just smart kids. Me on the other hand, I grew up lifting rocks lizaed/snake hunting!

[bushpig 0]

I don't have kids Indo but I sure as hell know that I did the same as you! Regardless of being told not to do it! But that's my point. Some kids listen and some kids don't. But, a role model who does the dangerous things is more likely to inspire kids to try themselves. Anyway, see my above post. This is nit-picking.

[big-will 7]

The few times I saw him I was quite amused and interested. It seems that he did a large amount of good. He seemed like a very decent bloke. It's sad that he died early. That's it.

[indosnm 0]

nah not nit picking, tim tam dipping!

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[Mantas 3]

ahhh yes that's much better Ocean. Wow..... quite the wordsmith aren't we ?

" critical faculties automatically suspended ".

I'll have go look that up in my Knuckle draggers handbook and then I'll get back to you.

 

Words of wisdom once again BP . I like the way you think. People are going to have their opinions no matter what a handful of cyber nerds like us in this forum think.

[damian 0]

Mantas - Before I start, let me first say post count is a meaningless indicator of worth on the forum, so don’t try and twist my words.

 

Give yourself a break man, make it easier on yourself. After 57 posts you have had conflict of words, opinion and personality. Whilst the majority rules, and (sadly) always does, perhaps this rapid path to conflict shows that the world is full of people very different to those in your town and hand picked collections of friends. Many of us are not afraid to express opinion contrary to the popular 'Aussie' suburban working class way of thinking (which is fair and honest but often not so bright). This is an international forum with lots of countries, ethics and educational levels present. All are equally valid in existence. It isn't the local RSL in your town, it isn't the bar popular with the Aussies in Whistler or Hokkaido or in Kuta. It is a Japanese based forum with international members who live in, have lived in, are visiting or have visited Japan for work, family, snow or all three. You are going to find a lot of different fish in here.

 

It might seem like the pot calling the kettle black coming from me, but if you have collisions like this every 57 posts then yer gunna get a headache.

[bobby12 0]

Mantras is probably a troll but even so I dont mind as its quite funny to read all this vitriol.

[damian 0]

I probably post more trolly things myself (and certainly have no shortage of vitriol)

[Mantas 3]

Le-spud you are right. I do get into a lot of conflict in this

forum. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that every time I look at it there is a lot of Aussie bashing going on. Your automatic assumption that I base all my views from my limited knowledge of all things worldly is a classic example.

 

Let me tell you a little about myself.

Since the age of 18 I have travelled the world on and off for the best part of 12 years. I've spent time in 54 countries; I’ve trekked in the Andes, Himalayas, and climbed mountains in Africa. I've Sailed the Nile in a felucca, travelled with military escorts through war torn countries, been hospitalised in Indonesia and Costa Rica through illness and injury, I’ve ridden in the back of trucks with bare breasted Indian women in the Amazon, I've been mugged in Mexico, death threats, beaten in other places, I’ve travelled right around Australia, sometimes living off hunted pig, wallaby, goat, fish ect. I’ve surfed in places so remote that the local women dragged their screaming kids into the jungle in fear. I’ve been within spitting distance of wild elephants on foot in Botswana. I’ve lived and worked in both the UK and Eastern Canada,

 

I've also visited the Louve, the Vatican, the church of the holy sceptre in Jerusalem, Mount Sinai, the Taj Mahal, Varanasi, Borobodur ( large Buddhist monument in the world) , Gallipolis ( yer cringe cringe ) The great mosque in Medan Sumatra, the Smithsonian institute in Washington DC, the White House, Cape Canaveral, Buckingham palace, Edinborough castle and many other important cultural and historical sites. Oh yes and Disneyland.

 

Why am I telling you all this ?

2 Reasons.

 

1- To show you that I draw my opinions from a slighly broader expierience than a few holidays to Niseko and Kuta or some bar talk down at the local RSL as you so wrongly assumed my friend.

2- To tell you that all that stuff I did amounts to about F*** all these days. Yer I used to think I was a big man of the world. Let me tell you . Flitting around the world with minimal possesions is a picnic compared to what I do now.

Raising kids, spending half the night at hospital with a sick kid, paying a mortgage, cleaning up spew at 2 am then again at 4am then going to work at 6am, being part of a community , spending the only day off in weeks helping out at the local netball club, ….these are the real life experiences.

These days the people I aspire to are the mums and dads with 4 kids and a mortgage, they live their whole life for others. Most of them have never been on a plane or seen snow. I don’t judge them or rank their social order by thier level of worldly wisdom or appreciation of the fine arts. These are good people doing good things. They are an integeral part of any society and without them the whole thing would turn to shit !

 

I think you are right Spuddy boy . I need to find another forum. One without so much snobbery, bias and insult.

[damian 0]

Short answer

I think you missed my point.

 

Longer answer

I don't care where or how your form your opinion. I simply mentioned that, unlike in Aussie enclaves, your opinion and what you hold dear is not always replicated by others elsewhere. By using the term 'Aussie bashing' you immediately demonstrate that you cant handle others holding alternate views on things that you see as important. By looking for another forum, you are really just finding a place that favours things that you do and supports your beliefs, biases and fears. We all follow a three step plan in life: form an opinion and a belief system, find people that support our belief system, ridicule then ignore people that challenge our beliefs. As a general rule, the Aussie core belief system is based on the concept of a "battler", the hard done by. Your closing paragraph is a good example. Steve Irwin has been beatified as a good Aussie battler, a true blue Aussie, a fair-dinkum bloke. Some people don't value or recognise that. You have decided to find a 'community' that doesn't question the ethos of your belief system. Good for you. I do exactly the same thing myself.

 

It sounds like you have had a lot of fantastic experiences, I have had many of them myself, but not all. Good luck with your family.

[snobee 0]

L'spud

 

Short Answer - I think you missed the point.

 

Long Answer - The point that you missed is think, I.

 

methinks

[soubriquet 0]

I heard that it wasn`t a stingray at all. In fact, Steve Irwin was having an affair with Pricess Diana, and Dodi had him topped by MI6.

[damian 0]

He said in his opening paragraph:

 

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Your automatic assumption that I base all my views from my limited knowledge of all things worldly is a classic example.

And he missed the point. The topic is not on what experiences he bases his views. My point was that he shouldn't get angry when he encounters contrary opinions and a lack of support for what he holds dear, particularly when he is in a place (SJ forums) that has a much wider range of people than the Schapelle Corby support forum, the local Aussie bar or any other enclave of people that base their beliefs on the concept of the "Aussie Battler". I think

[SerreChe 2]

Mantas, impressive experiences. Just curious, how did you finance you 12 years travelling spree?

[Mantas 3]

rice and noodles my friend