ippy 66 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Just saw evergreens warning at hakuba. I wish i could pretend i was adding to the conversation by offering wise and sage info. Instead ill just pass it on since i know tonight we're also due a puking (and it wont stop dropping (though more mellow) right through the weekend if the weather reports are good). I know its really the side/back country, but i reckon there's a few rope dodgers out there (who need a stern talking to! ) Heavy Snow Warning: Otari ski fields have seen an accumulated 150cms over the past 72 hours. Continued heavy snow fall is adding load to the recent storm snow that has started to slab and release from the buried sun crust of January 22nd on southern exposures. Loose slides are releasing on all aspects due to weak bonds with in the new snow. Take due caution travelling in avalanche terrain and in gullies where loose slides and sluff can accumulate to create deep burials. There are still a lot of creeks that have open holes that are definite hazards and terrain traps. Take care to avoid these areas or be on the look out for these holes. Do not underestimate how rapidly the avalanche hazard will increase with continued rapid snowfall and increased winds. Use your head and carry all the proper safety and rescue gear if you are heading into off piste areas. Stay to well supported and simple terrain to reduce hazard. Travel in Backcountry areas not recommended until conditions and recent storm snow settles. ALPINE ZONE: HIGH HAZARD !! Stronger winds, colder temperatures and greater snow fall will all attribute to very unstable conditions. Watch out for avalanches from ALPINE ZONES travelling to the valley and into TREELINE and BELOW TREELINE ZONES. TREELINE: CONSIDERABLE HAZARD ! BELOW TREELINE: CONSIDERABLE HAZARD ! Link to post Share on other sites
iiyamadude 6 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I think it is worth being cautious right now. Plenty of excellent snow on/by the runs. Link to post Share on other sites
HelperElfMissy 42 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I think it is worth being cautious right now. Plenty of excellent snow on/by the runs. And be thankful that is open. If it were Europe then the entire resort would be shut. Link to post Share on other sites
grungy-gonads 54 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I think it is worth being cautious right now. Plenty of excellent snow on/by the runs. And be thankful that is open. If it were Europe then the entire resort would be shut. Are there nearby 'alternatives' or is it just tough luck, hit the bars please? Link to post Share on other sites
HelperElfMissy 42 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Well, when Zermatt was entirely closed the road and rail were also out of action due to a massive avalanche so there was no going anywhere and no options for skiing. So the bar, restaurant or bed was it. But in Chamonix they opened Les Houches (at least in part), trouble was every man and his dog was there, insane queues to ride with out of control people on pistes very very in need of grooming. Well not everyone was out of control, but enough to make it pretty sketchy. So...off piste to the lovely powder then? Umm.. Fail... The resort is flatter than Niseko There was a lot of walking out of powder back to crowded pistes. Didn't last long before the pub looked a better option. I maintain that Japan really does have the edge over Europe in keeping things open when the freshies are falling in abundance. But stay safe, avoid the high risk stuff until the avie conditions are safer. Link to post Share on other sites
RobBright 35 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Am surprised Maiko was open a few weeks back in that blizzard. Lethal visibility that day. Link to post Share on other sites
ippy 66 Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 its not just avvies though. Its the depth thats going to be an issue. The 150cms in 72 hours (plus what they have today and tomorrow) is going to mean similar (or even worse) conditions than we had a few weeks ago. Since i know from the weekend thread that a few people are going to yuzawa area this weekend, and since i know that the off piste in kagura is very very tempting, i figured the evergreen warning would be a nice little red flag Link to post Share on other sites
millisent 0 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 That 150cm ain't on the resorts though. Most people will be nowhere near encountering said 150cm. Link to post Share on other sites
ippy 66 Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 okay, but im still going to be massively concerned for many people who duck ropes this weekend. Hell, im going to be concerned for people even on piste (but thats because im a born worrier). Those numbers are pretty scary, though Link to post Share on other sites
SKI 15 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I wouldn't spend your time being concerned about the action of knuckleheads, unless of course they endanger others at the same time. Link to post Share on other sites
Thundercat 60 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 That 150cm ain't on the resorts though. Most people will be nowhere near encountering said 150cm. Yes it is. With a lot more to come. Everyone should be cautious this weekend. But make sure you have fun too! Link to post Share on other sites
best skier in hakuba 5 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Not it is not. It generally is not on the resorts. It is the extreme example of Cortina. And as millisent said, the vast maj. of people going to 'Hakuba' will see nowhere near like 150cm of new snow and will not be experiencing 'super dangerous conditions'. Hakuba 47 has reported a total of 75cm since last Friday. Goryu has reported a total of 50cm since last Friday. So let's not get too carried away now, shall we. Link to post Share on other sites
ippy 66 Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 oh okay.... wrap up warm dudes! Its super dangerous in the cold. You might get ill or something Link to post Share on other sites
Thundercat 60 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Not it is not. It generally is not on the resorts. It is the extreme example of Cortina. And as millisent said, the vast maj. of people going to 'Hakuba' will see nowhere near like 150cm of new snow and will not be experiencing 'super dangerous conditions'. Hakuba 47 has reported a total of 75cm since last Friday. Goryu has reported a total of 50cm since last Friday. So let's not get too carried away now, shall we. Who's getting carried away? I will be at Cortina (if the lifts aren't still closed) and they have had 150cms (with a lot more to come). The original warning was for the Otari ski fields anyway, not Hakuba. Untwist your panties dude, no one was trying to misrepresent anything Link to post Share on other sites
best skier in hakuba 5 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Simply pointing out facts. That ok with you. mate? I wouldn't be so sensitive. mate. Oh, and don't be so negative and unfriendly!!! etc Link to post Share on other sites
NoFakie 45 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I don't understand the problem with reporting that avalanche risk is high in avalanche areas. If you don't ride offpiste, it doesn't apply to you, so just ignore it. As for what ippy says, rather that just that amount of snow, a major factor is that its sitting on a thick icy crust from the high temps last weekend. It doesn't have to be 50cm to be a risk, never mind up to 150cm. It was a great day at Cortina yesterday, but at resort altitude, i.e. below tree line, the snow was a little heavyish, which only facilitates slab formation and cranks the risk up more. Cortina's steep areas have been closed two out of the past three days, basically because all they can do is keep people off and wait for it to settle. fwiw, I bet some parts of Tsugaike will have had close to a meter and there are naughty zones there known to slide. Some of them funnel and go pretty big. Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I don't understand the problem with reporting that avalanche risk is high in avalanche areas. If you don't ride offpiste, it doesn't apply to you, so just ignore it. I was just about to say that. Will not be a problem for I would guess most people. Obviously need to be careful when there's tons of snow about, see accidents earlier in season. Link to post Share on other sites
Thundercat 60 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Simply pointing out facts. That ok with you. mate? I wouldn't be so sensitive, mate. Oh, and don't be so negative and unfriendly!!! etc I was also pointing out facts... And my recommendation to be cautious stands. So does my recommendation to have fun! Link to post Share on other sites
best skier in hakuba 5 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Simply pointing out facts. That ok with you. mate? I wouldn't be so sensitive, mate. Oh, and don't be so negative and unfriendly!!! etc Link to post Share on other sites
ippy 66 Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 Well either way its nice to be safe! These arent free play conditions and since niigata had two deaths the last dump im kinda edgy. I do admit though, ill see the numbers, look at whats coming and go OMG!!! SNOWPOCALYPS!!! and maybe i should be a little more careful in my melodrama Either way, im off to wax my brand new and FREE 2012 ride Berzerker that came in teh mail yesterday and scrape my charlie slashers summer coat in preparation for this weekend. Dont envy me too much (: Link to post Share on other sites
best skier in hakuba 5 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 You're doing just fine, ippy Link to post Share on other sites
RobBright 35 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Well either way its nice to be safe! These arent free play conditions and since niigata had two deaths the last dump im kinda edgy. I do admit though, ill see the numbers, look at whats coming and go OMG!!! SNOWPOCALYPS!!! and maybe i should be a little more careful in my melodrama Either way, im off to wax my brand new and FREE 2012 ride Berzerker that came in teh mail yesterday and scrape my charlie slashers summer coat in preparation for this weekend. Dont envy me too much (: Na we won't. Hows the money situation? Hopefully am up in yuzawa on Sunday. Link to post Share on other sites
ippy 66 Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 MONEYPOCALYPSO!! (I was about to post another rather obvious simply red song, but then saw this... atrocity!). Link to post Share on other sites
pie-eater 207 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Hey it's The Big One at Blackpool! Link to post Share on other sites
best skier in hakuba 5 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Well this morning Cortina report 30-40cm, Goryu 25-40cm and Hakuba 47 50cm. Should be a good weekend. Link to post Share on other sites
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