muikabochi 208 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I have a quick question. Done a bit of looking on their websites and stuff and still confused, so if someone here could give me a simple answer! Is Hanazono part of Niseko Grand Hirafu? Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 No. It's owned by Pacific Century Development and run by Harmony Resorts. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Grand Hirafu is owned by Tokyu Resorts. A fine bunch of gentlemen. Hanazono is on the Niseko United ticket, as are all other areas on the mountain. Link to post Share on other sites
Go Native 70 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Hanazono is actually part of what is known as Grand Hirafu though. If you get a Hirafu only ticket you can also ski Hanazono. Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 You see, that's what's confusing! It's like a subset of Grand Hirafu, but owned by different people than the main bit. Is that a good description? Link to post Share on other sites
Go Native 70 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 As good a description as any Link to post Share on other sites
SKI 15 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 To the punter dudes it's all one. Like Ishiuchi is.... Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Annupuri - Chuo Bus, (BUS???) Niseko Village - Hilton International Resort Marketing Giant Hirafu - Tokyu Fine Management Limited Hanazono - Pacific Century Buy and Forget Developments Limited. Link to post Share on other sites
Metabo Oyaji 71 Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Originally Posted By: thursday Hirafu - Tokyu Fine Management Limited Is there something one should know about Tokyu Resorts? The ski areas of theirs that I have been to seem like friendly, well-run family resorts. But I've never been to Hirafu. Is there some sort of dark side to watch out for? Link to post Share on other sites
Jynxx 4 Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Are you Italian ? Link to post Share on other sites
Ezorisu 0 Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 So far, I've never been fined at Hirafu... Link to post Share on other sites
Metabo Oyaji 71 Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Originally Posted By: Jynxx Are you Italian ? Are you trying to suggest that my idea of "well-run" may not be finely tuned? It was a sincere question. As I said, I've never been to Hirafu, but Thursday keeps making these comments about the place, so I'm wondering what the issue is. A quick search in the forum archives didn't turn up anything, but perhaps I haven't looked hard enough. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 if you want to know in detail. GN is the man to contact. Ask for either a) rant full on rant But for us punters on the ground we can only hope that one day there would be some real hospitality venues which can make international visitors go "wow, that is swish". The above seemed to be nearing realization when PCCW bought Hanazono. But right now PCCW are too busy gathering cash to pounce on struggling asset management arms of floundering insurance companies. Link to post Share on other sites
HelperElfMissy 42 Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Originally Posted By: thursday But right now PCCW are too busy gathering cash to pounce on struggling asset management arms of floundering insurance companies. Aint that the case with many company's and their projects at the moment... Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 nope. Lots of large companies are still shit scared their banks will pull credit even further. Link to post Share on other sites
stemik 14 Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Originally Posted By: thursday Grand Hirafu is owned by Tokyu Resorts. A fine bunch of gentlemen. Do they actually own the mountain or just the lifts? Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 I would think they own that area of the mountain. PCCW bought the land at Hana, so I presume that is the model at work there. Link to post Share on other sites
Metabo Oyaji 71 Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Originally Posted By: thursday But for us punters on the ground we can only hope that one day there would be some real hospitality venues which can make international visitors go "wow, that is swish". Ah, so is it mainly an issue for overseas seekers of swish, and not so much something that would impact weekend warriors with kids? If so, I could live with that. Link to post Share on other sites
SKI 15 Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 I recall Go Native talking about how lacking in marketing competency they are. If he notices this thread again he might say more. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Well, if you have tried booking direct, you'd notice with utter disdain that the weekends at the hotels are always booked out. Meaning weekenders have a real hard time to get accomodation --> shortage of rooms. On the other hand, there are lots ans lots of self catering places, which for a Japanese couple wanting a weekend away, sounds like more house chores on one's weekend off. And look at that welcome centre. Welcome what?? It's a hut where you go buy bus tickets, and a room above that called a cafe. C'mon, look at the 308, that is what's needed at the Hirafu carpark. And the zoo with the poor penguins who don't know what to do with themselves?? Get a decent enclosure, in concrete, with viewing platforms and get some polar bears in. Feeding of the penguins to the polar bears at 4 pm each day, before you get onsened for dinner. There's a whole miss mash of things going on and no united coordination. Link to post Share on other sites
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