fattie 0 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 I don't know much about whats going on in places other than where I am (near Niseko / Rusutsu) and was wondering if there were many resorts elsewhere putting up new lifts or improving facilities? I get the impression it's almost the opposite, but tell me that's not the case! Link to post Share on other sites
iiyamadude 6 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Certainly no new lifts in the places I know. A fair few places have lifts that they no longer operate just standing there. Some licks of paint and facilities improvements going on in some places but nothing major that I know of. Link to post Share on other sites
Oyuki kigan 0 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 I'd like to know if any resorts are investing in sustainable energy or envionmentally-concious activities. I heard that Hakuba 47 was doing a little, and they and Nozawa Onsen have stopped using disposable chopsticks, but has anyone heard anything above and beyond that? Link to post Share on other sites
soubriquet 0 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Hanagasa kogen (my closest ski jo) uses hydro power from the station about 200m from the bottom of the lift. That's sustainable. Link to post Share on other sites
Oyuki kigan 0 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Hydro is not bad, but i'm assuming the hydro comes from a dam. Unless the dam has some sort of technology to keep it from silting up it has a limited lifespan. But it is still much better than coal or nuclear. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 hotspring water for heating. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 and you can be sure that Holiday pair is the only new lift installed in Japan this century. Link to post Share on other sites
rach 1 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 I suppose the reality is that many resorts are just struggling to survive rather than spending big on lifts or investing in sustainable energy etc other than simple things they can implement. Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Thursday you know very little outside of your world of Niseko. Go to Gifu and look at how much money they make and the lifts that they have put in. This century! give me a break! Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Master Yoda Fatts, please tell us more.. Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 I am no master, but I have been to more resorts than just one. You spout out about your one resort being the only place that will invest in the next century. You know very little about the industry outside of your isolated experience. Your only advice sounds like a travel company pumping someone to one location, with very little knowledge of what is out there, or the industry as a whole in Japan. Do some bloody research before you post. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 oh great master, you being all knowing, please enlighten us about your thoughts on anywhere you have no vested interest in. Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 http://www.seilbahntechnik.net/nl/lifts/...06e10330e3711e8 Vested interest mate thats all you ever say, so please keep repeating it. I didnt say where anyone was investing. I was simply stating that your limited knowledge should be taken with a grain of salt. There above you have links to lifts above and that is just one lift company. Quite frankly I bet you wouldnt even know off the top of your head any others. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 thanks Fatts. That's a good link. I am a changed man. Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Thats not the point. The point is half of what you say is frankly BS. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 no, not half. Alot more than half. Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Pow 52 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 The Niseko area is rapidly becoming the Emperor's New Clothes of Japan, dare I say it world skiing/snowboarding. If the mountain companies don't start investing in their infrastructure pronto - lifts, grooming, signage, transportation - then this area's 'bubble' will burst and people will go elsewhere. No matter how easy it is to get here, how good the snow is, how accommodating the slopes are, how much English is spoken etc etc etc. Link to post Share on other sites
Mantas 3 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Are we talking new as in, rip down the old one and put a new one in it's place, or new as in built one on a virgin slope somewhere and open up more territory? Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 The lifts have to make money and Tokyu sure isnt making anything. It takes time to get a lift in place. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 which Tokyu are you talking about? The new lift went up last season in a resort that is making heaps. But this could be BS again, you never know.. Link to post Share on other sites
NoFakie 45 Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Originally Posted By: MikePow The Niseko area is rapidly becoming the Emperor's New Clothes of Japan, dare I say it world skiing/snowboarding. If the mountain companies don't start investing in their infrastructure pronto - lifts, grooming, signage, transportation - then this area's 'bubble' will burst and people will go elsewhere. No matter how easy it is to get here, how good the snow is, how accommodating the slopes are, how much English is spoken etc etc etc. Is the resort that bad? Is that what customers say? Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 it's actually the new find and there are lots of takers, even for remote places around the mountain. And there are takers. Which all goes to show that it is a bubble but it is an elastic one, for the time being. But for that kinda money, it's really no big deal for real players anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 and I don't see it ending anytime soon. There is still plenty of land and markets. But this all could be BS. Link to post Share on other sites
soubriquet 0 Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 It seems Japan is where Iraq/Iran/Pakistan were in the early seventies. Deeply unknown territory full of mysteries if you don't follow Lonely Planet to Niseko and Hakuba. Dragons are a daily hazard in Tohoku. The Bible will keep you safe. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 And given the sentiment right now, it would be prudent to batten down the hatches. But that is another way to look at it. Or my personal preference. Link to post Share on other sites
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