NoFakie 45 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Quote: Originally posted by Ocean11: I haven't done the necessary course so I wouldn't know, but is that saying that it's maybe not safe to ride on steep, south facing slopes in-bounds too? Because if that's what it's saying, it should maybe say so, if you know what I'm saying. The report states that danger is high above the tree line. In the Hakuba valley, only the very top part of Happo resort is above the tree line. The top course there is not steep, faces east and is on a ridge (the "one" of Happo-one). For those of you interested, the men's downhill in the 1998 Olympics started halfway up this top course. The wooden starting gate lower down was for the womens race. Everything else at the other resorts in the valley is below the tree line. The only resort I can think of with a steepish south facing course would be Cortina. Off the ridge to skiers left down to the main course. Cortina's main steeps face north. Happo's steeps face east. 47 and Goryu's face east/north east. Tsugaike has no steep courses. Iwatake's short steeps face east and appear to be closed. If you leave the courses, every resort has south-facing steeps. Last week, a long crown fracture, i.e., the wall of snow left where the snow cracks during a slab avalanche, could be seen on Norikuradake above and behind Tsugaike. I saw it from Iwatake, 10km away. As the report says, that's going to be huge. On the whole, I wouldn't be so concerned about infomercials for avalanche courses because there is no real money in them. Just as there is no money in guiding if you don't take people to the biggest lines on the one day of the season they can go there. Safety-first doesn't pay. Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean11 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Thanks Mr Wiggles. Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 The Bc courses are all finished Ocean done 1 week ago, for a know it all you base your judgements many times on no facts but those that you make up. Link to post Share on other sites
brit-gob 9 Posted January 19, 2005 Author Share Posted January 19, 2005 Quote: SJ moderation hitting a new low here. Yes, why isn't Ocean11 banned? Link to post Share on other sites
SnowJapan.Com#2 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 If this continues any more, we WILL take the sad step of banning people from using the forums. Feel free to try and come back to this with sarcastic comments if you wish to 'test us'. Link to post Share on other sites
Yuki's Passion 1 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Quote: Originally posted by montoya: Surprised to see you posting here Ocean11. I thought you had renounced all winter-sports to pursue a more green existence. Hes a closet wannabe BC skier Link to post Share on other sites
powda tele 0 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 I think we've all made our points. Let's just let it rest and let this new avo section get back on track, survive, and thrive. I don't think any of us (wherever you stand in this - and I'm not excluding myself) is achieving anything by dragging it on. I'm voting with the moderator. Give the section a chance by letting it all rest. Link to post Share on other sites
Davo 1 Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 I'm more than happy with the backcountry conditions notices available on this site. Concerning Hakuba in particular they make perfect sense to me because I'm familiar with the areas being talked about. I can also understand most of the terminology and descriptions used. They're what you'll read in texts and what you talk about with other skiers/boarders. Great clarification posted there MrWiggles. I would take any advisory indicating a high degree of danger on South facing steep slopes above the treeline as a caution for similar areas anywhere below the treeline, onpiste or not. On piste is generally controlled by the resort and they may close areas for this reason. There are plenty of off piste danger areas as desribed in the advisory accessible by skiing right off the lifts eg Tsugaike South faces or the Goryu gondela area. Right now I wouldn't go anywhere like that, I'd stick to tree-lined slopes more-or-less. Doing a certified avalance awareness course didn't make me an expert, a pointy-headed know it all, or the member of some exclusive club of high-noters. It did however make me think twice about the safety of what I was doing. It was a bargain,and one of these days I'll do the same two days again as the refresher componant of a five day advanced course. I doubt the courses ever make a huge amount of money, but if they did it'd be well deserved earnings. I think I know sweet #### all about the very important topic of riding safely. Wearing a beacon and all the knowledge in the world can become a moot point once you're buried. That's one of the first things you learn if you read a book or do a course on the subject. Anyway SJ, keep the reports coming and the information flowing.Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites
scouser 4 Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 I agree with the folks here, please post what you can. (So, was anyone banned?) Link to post Share on other sites
SnowJapan Admin SnowJapan#Andrew 6 Posted January 20, 2005 SnowJapan Admin Share Posted January 20, 2005 Quote: Originally posted by scouser: (So, was anyone banned?) No, no-one was/is banned. We really really don't want to do that. (And if we did, we'd post to let people know.) Link to post Share on other sites
snowboarder 0 Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 yeah cheers for the info Link to post Share on other sites
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