Out of bound issues at Arai

[dyna8800 3]

Here is a question, is backcountry always out of bounds or is there backcountry in bounds?

[bushpig 0]

That Tignes interview was a very interesting read Spud. It's interesting seeing the hugely different attitudes and aproaches taken in different places and countries.

[Fattwins 0]

back country means it isnt inbounds

[mattlucas 0]

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Originally posted by Fattwins:
I think that this area and the cliff area are arais main problems

Are people really getting into the cliff area?
I find that doubtful

[Fattwins 0]

thats where some people have died.

[mattlucas 0]

So there are lines through them then

I'd like to see what it looks like with a winter snowpack

[Fattwins 0]

Yes there are lines through them if you wanted to do it, and were prepared for it you could. You would loose your pass cause its an up-hill out and would take you quite sometime to get out.

Im not saying to do it I think it shouldnt be done. That stuff is best left unseen cause most people would fall over the cliffs.

[mattlucas 0]

I think for that kind of stuff most people can make a decision on their own if they are good enough to get through it

 

Blair do you have any pictures of it under a winter snowpack?

[number9 0]

But then would the resort be held liable for the rule breaker dying on their property?

[dyna8800 3]

Toque, the point that Blair is trying to make is that if one skis/rides at Arai, abide by their rules, not go out of bounds because the skier/rider thinks he is good enough.

 

At resorts in other countries, an individual is free to huck himself off any cliff he wants, but will be the one to take responsibility and consequences of his actions. (Paying for rescue, etc.)

[mattlucas 0]

People die all the time

 

When I was at W/B over the holidays some dude tried a sketch line next to the chair and paid the price

 

Spud is always talking about people dying over in Europe

 

Why can't we make our own decisions

[mattlucas 0]

I know Blair is speaking for the resort

I'm speaking for the advanced skier/rider

 

Anybody have some pictures of that cliff

You can email them to me if you don't want them on SJ

[Fattwins 0]

Toque do you want it to try it or do you want it to look at it?

[mattlucas 0]

I'm not going to drive up to Arai

 

But when I went there last year in early early season it looked interesting

 

I just want to see what it looks like in winter

[Fattwins 0]

Ok ask tats he might have a picture.

[Fattwins 0]

PS people it is ok to dream and not do it.

[mattlucas 0]

But it's even better to dream and then go for it

 

If I were closer to the mountain I'd think about doing it if there was a good line down it

 

It would be worth getting the pass taken away

[SKI 15]

Would it also be worth causing further problems at the resort and other further consequences....?

 

Sorry, but you are just totally irresponsible.

[mattlucas 0]

SKI you are always so entertaining

 

Other than causing some hassle for the patrol having to confiscate a pass that drainage doesn't cross any runs below right?

 

I've only been there once though and wasn't so impressed. If it were closer maybe...

[SKI 15]

So you think it's just a case of patrol 'doing their job', taking a pass off you, and that's it. All finished?

 

Naive as well I see.

[Yuki's Passion 1]

Itd be nice if Japan was more like N.America or Europe in this sense. There could be a policy where when you buy a ticket that you enter a binding agreement which prohibits you from bringing any lawsuit against that resort for any harm/death that happens to you and that you will be held accountable for any injury you cause. Sounds fair to me.

[mattlucas 0]

Well tell me then SKI

What else is the problem?

We all know where you stand on breaking the rules

And we all know where I stand on having fun

 

 

I've already said that I've only been there once and there wasn't even snow on it so I don't even know what it looks like under big snowpack

And as I've only been there once in early season I couldn't know if there were runs that crossed it below or other avy dangers

 

Show me a picture of it and let's all have a little talk about it

[SKI 15]

Pictures and discussing the terrain is just not the point. The point is that they have their rules and you are seem keen on checking it out with the intent to basically break those rules.

 

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What else is the problem?

I don't know. I don't know what goes on at the resort. It seems fairly obvious that this problem is causing them some grief though.

 

Perhaps they might decide to become more strict with their conditional zones. They might become stricter in general. Perhaps they might decide to stop being as open to foreign guests as they now are. (Perhaps that might even end up indirectly affecting Snow Japans business). There's lots of things that might happen. There's nothing positive to come out of it though - oh yes, except 1 persons pleasure at the expense of anyone else........

 

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And we all know where I stand on having fun

What's that?

It seems to me that it is basically you having fun when you want it, however you want it - with no regard for any rules or other people? Sounds rather selfish to me, that.

[Fattwins 0]

 

the conditionals.

 

Toque you can sometimes push it too far though and you know it. You would get banned at WB if you did runs that were closed and you wouldnt want that.

 

As for a line down it skiers right down the middle witha minimun 2 meter drop or 2. Sometimes it fills in enough to ski straight down but I wont do it. I wont do it for the swame reasons that I gave you for not doing it my home mtn. It just causes more problems than its worth in the end. The Last thing I want or need is to be banned like some people have been and have to hide everytime I go sking.

[Fattwins 0]

ski toque will admit to being selfish he doesnt care about that