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Well let's just say compared to Australia, Hokkaido is a very, very cheap place to live. Anyway if you landed a half decent job in Niseko, earning say around Y4-5 mill a year the cost of public transport wouldn't be much of a concern. Hell just buy a cheap car.

 

I'm talking jobs with foreign owned companies. They love getting bilingual Japanese staff. No issues with organising work visas and they really need and want bilingual staff. They're like gold!

 

'Gold' being paid just 4-5 million yen?

Sounds like a raw deal to me that.

 

Average Japanese household income for the whole country is about 5.3 million yen. I dunno what the median is, but it's definitely lower because about two thirds get less than the average. The further you get from the big cities, the more likely it is, with Okinawa rock bottom. About third of households nationwide live on 3 million yen or less, the same 250,000 a month talked about in the eikaiwa thread. Average household income is down by about 1.2 million a year from the peak which was 1994ish.

                                                                                                                           

         Interesting That ,  Didn‘t know it went up and down by that much. Always thought Aussie average income was low, and living costs too high in the big smoke. If you have trade, Oz countryside is the place to be cos you don`t have to rely on an employer and tradies charge you silly money. In Japan, still pretty cheap to live even in the city. What is crazy though, is English teaching wages ... I used to get paid Y2200 ph (didn`t have a BA) in 1979. That was the going rate. If you were highly qualified (MA) Y3000 . I guess it might be the supply and demand thing, and also by demand I mean there might not be the `high standard expectations` placed on the teacher. I don`t know. Sure, tourism always need bilingual staff but that, being bilingual in itself doesn`t get high wages. A tourguide doesn`t make much. An Interprerter who understands Science/Engineering does. Need to be a specialist bilingual staff. Say, in an office, PR, Marketing, CPA whatever

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Or just give us no information at all, and we can make wild guesses and make jokes!  

2000 to 3500 is roughly the going rate now for private lessons.....but you can pretty much set it yourself. I've done business lessons for between 7500 and 10000¥ per hour but I couldn't find enough of them to rely solely on those gigs. Also them being private, they aren't always ongoing, usually they have a time schedule

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Private lessons 30 years ago was like Y5000 and you got fed. Crazy huh, One wudda made Y450 working in a cofee shop or Macca`s and now it`s double that. Not so with English teaching.

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yeah a friend of mines who's been here since the mid 80's says that he used to grudge doing private lessons for 5k but that was the absolute lowest he'd do them for. He was making more money than he knew what to do with

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Well let's just say compared to Australia, Hokkaido is a very, very cheap place to live. Anyway if you landed a half decent job in Niseko, earning say around Y4-5 mill a year the cost of public transport wouldn't be much of a concern. Hell just buy a cheap car.

 

I'm talking jobs with foreign owned companies. They love getting bilingual Japanese staff. No issues with organising work visas and they really need and want bilingual staff. They're like gold!

 

'Gold' being paid just 4-5 million yen?

 

:confused:

 

Sounds like a raw deal to me that.

 

If you look at average wages in that area it's well above the average. Most jobs in the region are lucky to get more than 3 mill. When I first started working there I was only on 2.5 mill. 4-5 mill in that part of Japan is relatively good living. You'll certainly have no money issues at all. Anyway few really move to live in Niseko area for career and wealth creation. Hell I paid more tax in Australia than my total wage in Japan. It's all about lifestyle!! ;)

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You could live very comfortably on that in Shonan where I used to live as well.....hell I lived pretty nicely on 3-3.5 down there!! Its all relative though I guess, if you are used to earning big bucks then anything less may seem harsh.

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Its all relative though I guess, if you are used to earning big bucks then anything less may seem harsh.

 

This being very important point of course.

 

Everything becoming clearly relative to how much my monthly take home is.

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My wife and I both earned 4 mill+ so it was a great lifestyle for us. Plus we fully owned our house so no loan or rental payments. Ah I miss it sooo much!!

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Bet you do GN ...I reckon you are better off living in Japan and taking a couple of months off down at the beach where you are ... ;) Any suggestions on which companies to go for in Hokkaido ? pm? yoroshiku .. :bow:

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The other one with Japanese incomes is that say 6,000,000 a year usually isn't 500,000 a month. It will be 290,000 or so a month plus housing allowance, commuting money, married allowance, kids allowance, plus the big one which is summer and winter bonuses. So its allowances that you may need to qualify for and a bonus you must stick around to collect and mightn't really get in your first year or two.

 

As for what you can live on, if your missus works, you don't need to earn much to be comfortable.The big cost with having kids is not so much the cost of raising them in the first years but the loss in your wife's earnings. There aren't many near full-time jobs that are flexible enough for working mothers and part time work usually pays badly.

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As for what you can live on, if your missus works, you don't need to earn much to be comfortable.

 

Important thing is, rather than just being comfortable now, being able to be comfortable in the future.

 

Only just really started to think like that. Must be getting on.

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My wife went back to work after 6 months (she really wanted to) so it didn't affect us too much. Childcare in Japan is pretty cheap. Working for foreign owned rather than Japanese companies meant we didn't really get any of those allowances you're talking about or bonuses. About the only extra thing we got was an All Mountain season pass.

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yeah、 japanese live on Bonus. When you start working for a company, the monthly pay is low, but you get like 5-6 months pay-equivalant Bonus .. Gets better when you stay longer in that company as you geta payrise. TBH without a Bonus the monthly pay is too low and monthly pay is harder to manage than weekly wages. So, you borrow (credit) off your Bonus.

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