deanrobi 2 Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 While I'm at Niseko this trip I'm thinking of spending some time at Moiwa, I see that there is a free shuttle service between there and Hirafu. What's Moiwa like/ I'm guessing that being that close to Annapuri that the terrain would be similar. Is it best to go after a fresh fall of snow? Any advice welcomed. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Don't count on that shuttle bus. I only know they tried selling apartments there, selling it as the exclusive area reserved for those tired of rowdy Hirafu. It tanked I think. Link to post Share on other sites
Go Native 70 Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 There's a new owner now and I think the shuttle will be running. Moiwa is a fun little mountain but it is little. From the top lift you can walk up out of a gate and access a very nice bowl. Off to the left side of the lift there's a very nice gully that offers some good terrain and there's a fair amount in between these main features. Definitely worth a day out there after fresh snowfalls. Link to post Share on other sites
foreversnow 5 Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 The other 1/2 of my ski party skiied over to Annupuri last year and then caught a taxi over to Moiwa. They loved it so shuttle or no shuttle I'll give it a go next year. Link to post Share on other sites
ausi ski bum 1 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 I have spent about three days over there at different times, I always have a hire car so I can get around and not have to rely on shuttles, the Moiwa area has some of the best powder to be found and very few people tracking it out on the best days. There is some great steep runs on the summit if its open, I was playing up there in very deep untracked powder a few years back. They sell a four hour ticket for about A$32 Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 that sounds sad, so why didn't you buy an apartment? Link to post Share on other sites
Go Native 70 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 I believe only 2 apartments ended up getting sold and then the whole thing went bust. Has been bought out another guy. Not exactly sure what his plans are at this stage. Link to post Share on other sites
sanjo 2 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 What sort of price does that come at?! Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 can't remember, it was a while back and I remember seeing the prices and going HA!! Con artists!! Link to post Share on other sites
ausi ski bum 1 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 I looked at the apartments and while they were nice they were over priced and the deal was terrible. the management, booking and other charges were around $25,000pa and you could only use your apartment 2 weeks a year in ski season. Effectively you bought an apartment that the management company took all the profit from and they told you when you could use it. In other words, Time Share and they made all the money. I did the numbers and it was a total con. Moiwa apartments shold have been very cheap, available to live in or rent at the owners pleasure and managed in house at a maximum of 20% commission and a basic change over fee. All up around $6-8000 max. Summer bookings would most likely be next to non. Much better deals to be had. Link to post Share on other sites
thursday 1 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 con artists. Link to post Share on other sites
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