Fattwins 0 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 That was funny, I liked that part in the movie. I have always said that I hope Niseko succeeds mate. I never hoped or prayed that it would fail. The fact is the marketing engine created by Niseko has helped to give some resorts a second chance is a good thing. That marketing engine doesnt always spew out the facts but heck it's worked well and made some people very rich. Terrain wise mate Niseko isnt steep admit it and get on with it. Many have admited it and thus we dont usally debate about it anymore. You wanna keep having a go then, Ill keep the quotes coming and the map facts postings up. You can decide to drop if you want to. You had a good try but Niseko is flat and thats a fact! everyone knows that can read a map. Link to post Share on other sites
tsondaboy 0 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Originally Posted By: lpak i have no idea how you guys got on the subject of maps but what do you think about Nozawa Onsen versus Hakkuba in terms of snow and terrain? Nozawa clearly sounds like a sweet japanese style spot - will the snow and terrain make me happy? Are you allowed to go off piste? thanks again.. Hakuba is 7 resorts in the row were Nozawa onsen is just one. Snow wise expect to find more or less the same conditions. Terain wise Hakuba gives you more options and is also one of the few areas in Japan that have alpine terrain (if you are willing to hike up that high), Nozawa has pretty nice terrain and enough steep parts to make you happy but not much choises. Atmosphere wise Nozawa would be the typical Japanese Onsen town, where hakuba is not that traditional any more. Quote: p.s. i'm a university lecturer and maybe 3 out of my class of 140 knew how to read contour maps. I am also in the Geosciences and still half of the students don’t know how to read topo maps and even bigger part don’t know how to read a geological map... Link to post Share on other sites
lpak 0 Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share Posted November 21, 2007 specifically rocks? I'm atmospheric science - have to give a lab on how to read axes and contours now so that they can read MSLP charts...they see them on the news every night!! amazing hu... Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Man you guys dont learn anything in school. And im not talking about a topo map. Link to post Share on other sites
tsondaboy 0 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Bachelors in Geology, Masters in Geophysics (seismology) and hopefully PhD in the same field by March. Link to post Share on other sites
lpak 0 Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share Posted November 21, 2007 good luck with your PhD, that last hump can be a real bummer... Link to post Share on other sites
tsondaboy 0 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Thx it is actually. Will you be attending AGU meeting next month? Link to post Share on other sites
lpak 0 Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share Posted November 21, 2007 ocean sciences? nah i'm atmospheric sciences...besides, AGU meetings are a nightmare. i try to goto smaller conferences in better locations In the end though, taking a real holiday is far more rewarding than a conference so, hence japan here i come ! Link to post Share on other sites
tsondaboy 0 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 I know what you mean! I am also skiping this year, Japan is def e better more rewarding option. Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Pow 52 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 brilliant bellavista Link to post Share on other sites
Mantas 3 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat Hakuba's steep-Niseko's flat There ya go Fatts, I just filled in a months worth of posts for you. Take a well earned break Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 I havent mentioned Hakuba in this spat. I have been followed by one or 2 people posting out right crap. In doing so they are trying to actually make people believe Niseko has steeps. Thats one heck of a joke! Link to post Share on other sites
Yuki's Passion 1 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Other places in Hokkaido have better terrain than Niseko. I dont care what anybody says - I heart Niseko and Im proud of it Link to post Share on other sites
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lpak 0 Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share Posted November 21, 2007 hey - not to disperse your banter but do any of you have an opinion on the question at hand? any info about nozawa onsen (ie off pieste allowed?) Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 good on you thursday we all know that. Nozawa lets off piste but be carefull as you can slide off of a big cliff! There are lots of lines but they need 200cms to open most of the best trees. Link to post Share on other sites
tsondaboy 0 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 FT knows the area better than anyone. From my limited experience, you can go off pieste but need to be careful. There are cliffs, streams and avie traps all around. Link to post Share on other sites
bellavista 0 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Ipak I can only comment on the Niseko and Rusutsu. I'd love to compare them with Hakuba and all the other places I've never been but there's only one machine in the world that does that, and Fattwins owns the only one in existence. Anyway, I would be confident you would have a great time basing yourself in Niseko. Rusutsu is my all-time favourite place to ski.(and I've skied a fair few places). Rusutsu needs a dump to be worthwhile whereas some other places are still fun without deep snow. Objectively, Rusutsu shouldn't be that good but it has an amazing number of hidden, semi-hidden, and obvious tree runs. It also has some outrageous skiing over the back- you need to car-shuttle it back but some people actually just book a taxi for the day so they can all ski.Rusutsu is virtually empty. Rusutsu is just one of those places where, when its deep, you just giggle yourself stupid every run about how insane the skiing is. Rusutsu and Niseko seem to act in a somewhat complimentary way because they face different ways, so one is often deeper than the other. But... Rusutsu is deadly quiet at night ..and weird. Think of a half empty cruise ship with a few Japanese people, karaoke, some indoor carousels that Michael Jackson may have installed and an " all you can drink for 1100yen" Happy Three Hours with noone drinking in the bar. So.. I would suggest staying in Niseko with a couple of day trips to Rusutsu when it dumps. Get a van when you stay in Niseko and you've got the freedom to move around the village, go to Kutchan at night, go to Moiwa, go to some of the nicer onsens outside of Hirafu. I love Moiwa but it's a tough gig for snowboarders - long tricky runouts. Niseko does have a lot of Aussies but , overall, I like Aussies. The restaurants and bars are very Japanese, but you should avoid PowPows and Fatty's if you don't want the pub scene. There are heaps of other places to go. The skiing in Niseko is excellent and a lot of it feels like lift-serviced backcountry. In Niseko, it's most crowded from Dec27-Jan26. Also avoid the week of Chinese New Year if you can. That said, the crowds are relative - I've never truly seen it crowded like a North american powder day. The flip side of that is that IMHO, the clientele in the January is a bit more , how should I say it, "refined". It's Australian school holidays so there are more families. Link to post Share on other sites
Go Native 70 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 bella fatty's is gone mate, the trucks pulled out many months ago now. Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Quote: I can only comment on the Niseko and Rusutsu. I'd love to compare them with Hakuba and all the other places I've never been but there's only one machine in the world that does that, and Fattwins owns the only one in existence. I love it even in a post when you try to give good advice you take a shot. Just remember you started the Niseko vs. whatever debate that didnt even exist until friday or Saturday your distaste for me must be that bad. Do you really think I have effected your business. According GN things had sold out long ago. Are you that scared to let the people know that your piste average is less than 20 degrees? If you want to ski 20 to 25 degree stuff with some light snow then base yourself in Niseko. If you want any sort of terrain then think outside of the box. the higashiyama side has the grand average of wait,,,, lets see,,,, wow its a gem... 12.6 degrees! ah heck ill round up 12.7 wow!!!!!! Hirafu is even better it offers somewhat of a chanenge and a bit better average as there are more courses. Lets get extreme with 12.9 thats rounded up. And last Annupuri 13.5 not bad really not bad at all. Link to post Share on other sites
Ewok 2 1 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 appi this winter. g2c my grandma. Link to post Share on other sites
bellavista 0 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Originally Posted By: Fattwins I love it even in a post when you try to give good advice you take a shot. Yeah, I love it too. Killing two birds with one stone is always satisfying. Link to post Share on other sites
bellavista 0 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 GN Not sorry to see Fatty's gone. It was amusing to see the trucks for the first time but after that...yobbo central. Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 19 posts all aimed at me! lets see where number 20 goes, maybe right at me original. Maybe one day you can actually contribute to the place instead of insulting its members and lurking to insult members. Just cause you ski something so flat and heck about as big as teen age pimple, doesn't mean that you have to lash out at someone that actually skis what you dream about. Link to post Share on other sites
bellavista 0 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Oh, I'd like to think I've contributed in some small way. Link to post Share on other sites
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