badmigraine 0 Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Yeah! I want to try THIS!!: http://www.extremecarving.com/photos/photos.html Like making love to the snow on each turn... Link to post Share on other sites
miteyak 0 Posted September 27, 2003 Share Posted September 27, 2003 I think i'd need the optional zimmer frame to get back up between turns... Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean11 0 Posted September 27, 2003 Share Posted September 27, 2003 Hoax! Question; If that really is sustainable, can it really be fun? And; Is there video to go with this? That looks like a terminal condition to me. Indeed, if you're quick, you can probably catch me in that pose sometimes. Link to post Share on other sites
mikazooki 0 Posted September 27, 2003 Share Posted September 27, 2003 there are a number of videos on the site.... but i wasnt compelled enough to finish watching them. they are quite long and repetitive. the carving looks cool, tho. Link to post Share on other sites
NoFakie 45 Posted September 27, 2003 Share Posted September 27, 2003 I bet you feel the G turning like that. It looks like it'll only be possible in very good conditions. I wouldn't try it on some groomed on a Sunday either, unless a sharp turn into someone's skis is on your agenda. Link to post Share on other sites
badmigraine 0 Posted September 27, 2003 Author Share Posted September 27, 2003 They claim their prototype board allows this kind of turns in various snow conditions, as opposed to the freshly groomed corduroy that regular carving boards require to do this kind of thing. I imagine it feels like a cross between carving hard on a single waterski, and being a cricket riding inside a frisbee thrown by Mogski after a few gin and tonics at Aux Bacchanales in Harajuku. Link to post Share on other sites
Glen Falting 0 Posted September 27, 2003 Share Posted September 27, 2003 gotta go with Ocean on this one - completely bogus. nothing but snow porn. In some of the pictures the angles are wrong for any kind of controlled slide. To get that sort of angle on anything but something very very steep would require an awesome turn, yet some of those guys look like their heading straight down hill on a gentle slope. There is one photo on the site that has very little snow being kicked up by the board, so it must be pretty firm, but the guy is lying (at least his body is touching) the snow. Whether you're sliding on your arse or on your side, its a bit of a stretch to call it carving. Although there are a couple there that look nice and are probably legit, but they seem to be on very steep slopes where, nice but hardly unique Link to post Share on other sites
mikazooki 0 Posted September 27, 2003 Share Posted September 27, 2003 not sure if u r taking the piss, but watch the vids, its totally legit. Link to post Share on other sites
mikazooki 0 Posted September 27, 2003 Share Posted September 27, 2003 the vids page Link to post Share on other sites
badmigraine 0 Posted September 27, 2003 Author Share Posted September 27, 2003 Kambei, I couldn't tell whether you are saying it's silly, or just not real... Let me offer the following photo to illustrate that it is probably both: My theory is that the riders in the pics were photographed just before they fell down or washed out their edges. But then, I haven't watched the videos on the site. Maybe they swallow a lot of helium and wear rubber bands on their knees. Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean11 0 Posted September 27, 2003 Share Posted September 27, 2003 Hold hard, there Kambei, I was half joking. The stills are not compelling, but the videos show them actually getting right down, although on apparently much steeper slopes than suggested in the photos. At first I thought this was sort of 'knuckle dragging plus', but these Francophones have come up with a whole 'Philosphie' of snowboarding. It's actually worth reading, as they have something interesting to say about alpine boarding. While this certainly makes me want to try hard boot riding (prolly with a Donek Axis), I reckon I'll be happy with simple knuckle dragging for a long time to come. Link to post Share on other sites
Glen Falting 0 Posted September 27, 2003 Share Posted September 27, 2003 Lads, I'm at work and can't access the vids and so can only go by the improbable photos. The one Badmigs just posted looks like the guy is in need of some medical treatment. It just doesn't look right. Now if they had stuck a couple of hotties in the frame as well, maybe with one of them holding an expensive bottle of french wine and both of the wearing nothing but boots and come hither smiles, well... that I could believe. But I'll take your word for it. Link to post Share on other sites
badmigraine 0 Posted September 27, 2003 Author Share Posted September 27, 2003 Kambei, in addition to medical treatment, it looks like he needs counseling or some kind of intervention. I'm stoked about laid-out carves up on the mountain, but doing them 20 meters in front of the lodge entrance reminds me of a scene from the movie Jackass... I'm not sure if the guy is completing a turn, or waiting to be sledded off to the trauma unit. I did just watch the Quicktime vid myself and wow, it really does look like fun. I wish they'd mix it up a bit with other onslope moves, but I guess they are trying to make a point with their manifesto and all that. Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean11 0 Posted September 27, 2003 Share Posted September 27, 2003 > I wish they'd mix it up a bit with other onslope moves I wonder if they can come out of a deep carve like that, go straight up a kicker, land it, and get down flat again. That would prove that they aren't a one-trick wonder. Can you jump alpine style boards? I don't think I've seen anyone try it... Link to post Share on other sites
NoFakie 45 Posted September 27, 2003 Share Posted September 27, 2003 Maybe half the guys riding boardercross use hard boots. Most courses have jumps in them. Link to post Share on other sites
slow 0 Posted September 27, 2003 Share Posted September 27, 2003 I love carving feeling! Extreme Carving = Extreme Feeling?? Link to post Share on other sites
nils 0 Posted September 27, 2003 Share Posted September 27, 2003 Hi fellow snow riders from Japan Its funny how looking at a server stats can take you to other website you would never have seen otherwise ! I have seen many connections on our website coming from this forum and just came to have a look I would like to give a few answers to the questions / suspicions etc that are posted above, since i am part of the EC story, and believe it is important to clarify a few things. First of all explain what is extremecarving, then the reason why we promote it, and finally to explain why it is fun. Extremecarving is a new way of riding a board, derivated from the famous euro-turn of the late 80's. We improved the technique and the boards in order to be able to link laid turns ( and when we say laid, it is laid . We are here talking about carved turns (no skidding although the boards permits is if we need it) with the whole body touching the snow (not only the hands or the hips). Basically the technique we developped over a ten year period before making it available, permits everyone with a snowboard to carve the board with ease, and to the extreme, making it a really nice experience ( you do really feel the G force there). As mentioned above, there is a whole philosophy behind it and if i was to resume it it would be: less is more, or simple is beautiful. We are trying to make turns look easy and smooth with the best economy of moves available. We posted a manifesto and our general gesture purity philosophy on our page, as with our technique in order to convince everyone that with proper technique you can ride a snowboard and have fun. We also believe time has come for us that started to ride in the 80's to come back to the groomed areas when the powder is not here, and have fun while riding with our kids, not having to ride a crappy freestyle snowboard with no edge hold. That was the first step, the second was the creation of Swoard Snowboards, making available to everyone our proto boards which, we believe is the board with the best edge grip available..After a whole season, and worldwide customers trusting us, we go on and continue the story (still a bargain but well..) Last but not least> The pics sound really fake or strange but watching the last movie we just release will just prove they are real . The edge grip is unreal even to people with a lot of boarding experience, even competitors are astonished of the easyness the egdes bite the snow, shall it be icy, perfect, soft or hard! The board but also the technique permits this turns with such a fun G' experience. Carving with the face a few cm from the snow is very amazing and also very exciting! Hope you got enough answers by now, i'm ready for more explainations if you want some..just email me or answer here i'll try to look there often We hope to someday come to Japan and demo our boards, but since we can find the budget, we have to stick to europe and usa . We know there are many carvers in Japan and if we can explain what we are doing to a few of them we will be glad! Thnx! Nils / swoard team Swoard website ps: here is a backside turn (don't try this at home ) of patrice with our serial board: Link to post Share on other sites
barok 0 Posted September 27, 2003 Share Posted September 27, 2003 I'm laughing WITH you ! ! The vid is great, but those pics are just hillarious. Link to post Share on other sites
badmigraine 0 Posted September 27, 2003 Author Share Posted September 27, 2003 Nils, thanks! Great first post. It's truly amazing that you found your way here using only server stats...I didn't know people could do that. I think I'll make a post that links to my favorite pornographic site...maybe the girls will notice the server stats, and then contact me personally... Seriously, I find your website fascinating and I'd love to try your "less is more" philosophy and learn to carve like that. It looks like pure adrenaline. Can you also just ride the rest of the mountain on your Swoard boards? How do they perform in powder, and in bumpy or uneven conditions? I assume hard boots and plate bindings are required? On your site you mentioned that flex would better come from a boot flex adjustment system, rather than simple pressure deformation of the boot plastic or shell. Link to post Share on other sites
nils 0 Posted September 28, 2003 Share Posted September 28, 2003 Hey bout server stats here is a copy paste of what it looks like(small extract of the top ten referents for sept (btw if some of you speak corean i'm eager to see where those 393 visits from corea came from : help wanted!) # Hits Référent 1 393 0.16% http://cafe21.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_read 2 224 0.09% http://www.skipass.com/ubbvf/Forum6/HTML/001129.html 3 168 0.07% http://www.bomberonline.com/Forums/Thread.cfm 4 136 0.05% http://cafe14.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_read 5 68 0.03% http://snowboarding.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm 6 64 0.03% http://www.google.fr/search 7 63 0.03% http://www.skijapanguide.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi 8 61 0.02% http://forum.ski.com.au/scripts/ultimatebboard/ultimatebb.cgi 9 53 0.02% http://yahho.selfhost.com/default.asp 10 50 0.02% http://www.alpinecarving.com/ I think I'll make a post that links to my favorite pornographic site...maybe the girls will notice the server stats, and then contact me personally... hehe good luck Seriously, I find your website fascinating and I'd love to try your "less is more" philosophy and learn to carve like that. It looks like pure adrenaline. thnx a lot! and it IS pure adrenaline but also easy to perform once you get the technique Can you also just ride the rest of the mountain on your Swoard boards? How do they perform in powder, and in bumpy or uneven conditions? The width of our boards makes it much easier to handle in the flat areas, it is more stable than a race board, and requires less attention. The board is versatile: it means it can cruize slowly, accelerate to a serie of EC carves, cross a field of powder, moguls etc... It is however NOT a freeride board ( the nose is very small) and not a freestyle board (too stiff for jumps and deep moguls) (we will however post new movies during the winter showing what jumps can be made with it ( Jacques will take it to the pipe hehe)). So i'd say the board is very efficient due to its grip, but also forgiving and knows how to slide when its needed. We're showing it mostly doing EC turns but we sold 3 to women that use it for cruizing and normal carving ( this is where our many flex system helps with the narrower waist on the small model (21cm)) I assume hard boots and plate bindings are required? For the Swoard yes, for extremcarving to a smaller level , no. Means you can approach the same feelings with a stiff freeride board (or BX) and good bindings (aka flows etc). Linking turns will be hard thu. On your site you mentioned that flex would better come from a boot flex adjustment system, rather than simple pressure deformation of the boot plastic or shell. yes its an interesting assertion: it means we believe a good shoe is a shoe that doesn't use plastic to bend, but is stiff around the feet, and above the ankle, the bending managed by external spring system. It has been invented by nortwave but they discontinued the serie I believe the new raichles/deeluxe have such system that has to be modified (amplified) so it works good. Hope answers clear a bit things ! Don't hesitate to ask on our forum feedback on the Swoard from people riding them . Nils Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean11 0 Posted September 28, 2003 Share Posted September 28, 2003 Hi nils, glad you found us. Alpine boarders seem to be on the increase in Japan - I see more of them every year. And your 'less is more' philosophy would surely fit well with traditional Japanese thinking. I wonder if you're familiar with the Donek Axis board. Would you say this is fundamentally different from the Swoard? I'm thinking of getting a hard boot setup this season, although I want to avoid the alpine boringness that your site mentions. Link to post Share on other sites
damian 0 Posted September 28, 2003 Share Posted September 28, 2003 This stuff looks good. Compare the below picture to your average day on a soft board when the snow is hard and you are just lapping groomers all day long. I have only one season under my belt and already by the end of it I was bored of such days. Sure, there is the park, but I would rather go to the mountain to ride, not sit - jump - sit - stand around. This picture and the movies on the site also really appeal to me as a surfer. Flow, power, rotate, compress, extend. All that kind of stuff. Very tempted. Link to post Share on other sites
nils 0 Posted September 28, 2003 Share Posted September 28, 2003 Hi guys, Thnx for the welcome donek axis> i've seen the board on donek's site and i can't wait to test it (we think of going to SES/bomberonline meeting in february). It seems the donek specs make it a great allround board. Its hard to say anything before testing it, but i'd say the main difference should be edgegrip. We make a special device in our board that forces the edge to grip and makes the edge arc regulary so both tips grip to their extremities. Its a real improvement to any other board construction which adds carbon ,kevlar or fiber in every direction whereas our system is real carbon machined/molded pieces that are part of the core. This is with the rest of the design the success of the efficiency that has the board (and also this is what makes it more expensive to make than a regular one, shall it be custom or serial). This said: I think sean martin from Donek really made a freecarve/freeride board that is good and it will be my priority to test it (and also if i can put my feet on a madd158 Last comparison with a surfer's move it accurate: i am myself an average surfer and a big fan of Curren's and Gerry Lopez's style, and the rotation technique we promote makes powder runs on a long swallowtail board feels like power surfing. Nils Link to post Share on other sites
badmigraine 0 Posted September 28, 2003 Author Share Posted September 28, 2003 Ocean, in addition to the Donek reviews at Snowboard Reviews.com , there are more written by carvers at Bomberonline.com 's reviews page. Hope you do get a hardboot setup this year. It's about time someone on this site did. Actually, I'm dreaming of it myself, and with the bulletproof ice/groomed hardpack conditions here in Michigan, I really have no excuse except lack of funds... Until then, some drooly porn...the Donek Axis. What color topsheet would YOU get?: Link to post Share on other sites
peaker 0 Posted September 29, 2003 Share Posted September 29, 2003 A big thumbs up from me. I'd loke to see them learn how to do it in powder. You'd probably need a snorkel, that would look reaaly cool youd just see the top of the snorkel cutting through the snow like a submarine periscope. Yeah baby Yeah!!! Link to post Share on other sites
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