Oyuki kigan

Originally Posted By: Tubby Beaver what relevance does quoting books have to do with this quote? Quote: This is what I don't get from Enviro's....WE ARE ANIMALS. WE ARE PART OF THE NATURAL WORLD. YOU CAN HUFF AND HAA ABOUT A LOT OF STUFF BUT WHEN IT GETS DOWN TO IT, WE ARE GOVERNED BY THE SAME URGES AS ANY OTHER ANIMAL ON THIS EARTH. TB, in the preceding paragraph, you give examples about how animals kill without compassion, and how harsh the natural world is when it comes to eating. Then, you say you don't understand the environmentalist stance, and give your interpetation

Originally Posted By: Tubby Beaver I see where you are coming rom, BUT Human's are omnivores, so meat is an important part of our diet. probably not as importantant as most think. Except for really marginal areas where game is more abundant than vegetation (the arctic, deserts, etc) anthropology has shown that the majority of food prehistoric humans ate was veg, rather than meat. Meat requires a much bigger output of energy to track down and hunt, and was probably only consumed infrequently by most of our ancestors. So i don't buy the 'its our nature to eat meat' arguement. Qu

Originally Posted By: iiyamadude Oyuki kigan and his like almost make me actually want to do all those things. Responses like this drive people to write things like this.

Originally Posted By: Tubby Beaver Originally Posted By: Oyuki kigan inhumanely slaughter most for no other real reason other than they like the taste? we all do. errm.....we're not gonna eat animals that we don't like the taste of....that's part of nature. Even wild animals will pick and choose their favourite meal when there is a smorgasbord of prey. If we can't slaughter them, then how do we eat them? What i mean is, we are at a point in our lifestyle where we don't depend on meat as food for survival. Its a luxury. Technically, most of us can be completely healthy wit

Re-ex is pretty good. I especially like hitting op that newish onsen just past the base, one of the nicest views from a rotenburo in the Saku area. And the bakery down at the base may be the best in Nagano. But truthfully, i prefer Re-ex's neighbor, Yachiho Kogen.

what kind of person would -butcher non-food-animals (like buffalo) for sport until near extinction? -continue to consume oil, fertilizer, tuna, whale, dodo, etc ad nauseum knowing full well they won't last and may cause severe damage to the ecosystem? -try to actually put a dollar price on their own umbilical chord ie: the air, water, and natural systems we depend on for survival? -destroy their own home and the home of all their fellow earthlings for the sake of short-term profit? -knowingly raise the temperature of the entire earth with all the largely forseeable dis

Here is some free advice from an instructor Make it easy on yourself. You will fall less and have more fun. Which is the point. Besides, dudes in the Olympic halfpipe were riding rockers in there. Its not cheating. PS The 'hard way of learning' is on an alpine board

There are biodegradable waxes made from soybean oil available now. If you are not sure you want all the toxins and flurocarbons going back into the water table, give them a try. i ride them now and my board slides fine. the only thing is that they generally have a higher melting point, so you need an iron with a high temp setting

I'd rate Taiwan slightly ahead of Japan.

Originally Posted By: quattro Global warming has been debunked. They just never got the message so there predictions were off. News travels slowly to my parts. When and how did this happen?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8561751.stm So basically, its Japan's cultural right to eat a species to extinction?

Thanks. That simultaneously cleared things up and confused me.

Originally Posted By: thursday Oyuki, you should cape on your ski shephard stance and slap those kids into submission. If there is one thing i am not, it is a ski shepherd

Originally Posted By: thursday It is market driven. Don't be so naive that it's something else. We are on completely different sides of the fence on most issues, so i won't pursue any more arguements in that direction. But this is one thing i genuinely don't understand about whale hunting. Or maybe markets. Japan supposedly has tons of whale meat on ice, has no real economic demand for it, yet still continues to hunt heavily. I can see where gov't subsidy may be involved, but not market forces. Can you explain?

Originally Posted By: Chriselle I know the inclusion of "whale" meat in kyushoku is also highly localized and is a little beyond the budget of most school eiyoshi. i'm not sure, i've seen it at all 3 Jr Highs i've worked for, in rural Tochigi and Nagano.

maybe we should leave the whales fate to the markets then? Just like the tuna?

If you are content comparing the preservation of life on earth to making money on the stock market, then i'm afraid we won't be able to agree. remember, the WHALERS are the ones violating international law.

Originally Posted By: Mamabear And for what it's worth while I don't like what is going on with whaling I am very anti the way Sea Shepherd and those rainbow warriors conduct themselves. The very definitely fall into the category of eco-nazi! For clarification, what do you mean by 'rainbow warriors'? Greenpeace? Because Sea Shepherd and Greenpeace are pretty far apart in the way they deal with whalers.

Originally Posted By: thursday I see sea shephard are all for ramming ships in antartic waters. How fun is that without endangering lives. Sea Shepherd has been around since '77, and while they have sunk many whaling vessels, they haven't killed anyone (although people have been injured/concussed in the ramming and launching of stink bombs). Whether is works or not is debatable. But when 'official' means (like the International Whaling Commission, boycotts, international pressure, petitions) are ineffective, some people will naturally gravitate to stronger and extreme methods. That

Originally Posted By: Tubby Beaver Originally Posted By: Oyuki kigan Originally Posted By: Tubby Beaver Japan through history has hardly responded positively to outside pressure for change. Surely living here you would agree that making the Japanese close ranks on themselves and making a "Japan vs the world" issue out of it is not the best method for instigating change in this country So what, should we beat them in a war again and write animal rights into their new constitution? No....now who's being ridiculous? What about all the letter bombs to animal research facil

Originally Posted By: Creek Boy Originally Posted By: Oyuki kigan so as long as the dolphins were killed humanely, you'd be cool with it? I cant say yes to one animal and no to another - its hypocritical. As long as they arent endangered I dont see what the differences is. Just a quick test. And forgive me for ambushing all of you with this. i wasn't my to, but it fits nicely with the exact topics we've been discussing. Would you give up bluefin tuna sushi? It fits most of the same principles we've been discussing. High in mercury, inhumanely slaughtered, an

Originally Posted By: Tubby Beaver Terrorists such as the IRA, Taliban, Al Qaeda, Peoples Front of Judea (only kidding ) also act upon their beliefs but I don't know many people who would side with them or many who would agree that their extreme tactics has allowed them to get what they want Well, there is one glaring difference in those organizations you mention and 'extremist' environmental groups. All those groups (Except the Judean People's Front, assholes), have killed people. To my knowledge, no environmental group, no matter how nutzo, has crossed that line. I have read a bi

Originally Posted By: Tubby Beaver Japan through history has hardly responded positively to outside pressure for change. Surely living here you would agree that making the Japanese close ranks on themselves and making a "Japan vs the world" issue out of it is not the best method for instigating change in this country So what, should we beat them in a war again and write animal rights into their new constitution? The Taiji thing is not new, and there have been some very well-meaning attempts to reconsiter the dolphin cull, such as repositioning the village as a center for dolphin-rela

Originally Posted By: Tubby Beaver Originally Posted By: Oyuki kigan Originally Posted By: Tubby Beaver I think if you watched what happens in any regular abbatoir you would find it unpleasant to look at. I think also the noise of the dolphins would trigger disgust in people, it sounds as if they are screaming. However lambs and pigs also have high pitched screams that would tug on our emotional heart strings yet there is no international furore. I also don't think it helps that the Eco-Nazis come scrambling out of their smelly holes and try to pressure Japan into changing...well done

Originally Posted By: thursday so much hyprocracy, so little fish. Have you seen the way the mediterranena people coral the bluefin and then stab them with their harpons and hawl them onto their boats. They were huge bluefins, perhaps 20 years old. Now that they have disappeared from the med, then no more ritual killing. Damn. No fish ever killed painlessly. Certainly not the ones i caught, and i tried. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/23/jonathan-safran-foer-fish-farming