yamabushi 3 Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Last year my beloved 156 Burton fish delaminated on me. The whole nose of the P-tex came off, thank God not out on the back country. I got a used fish from a guy that barely weights 150 pounds and that didn't put much mileage on it at all. Early this season before I even had a chance to use it much the damn thing also started delaminating! At least I got that one for cheap. The fish is an outstanding board for deep powder, but it is too damn slow. Sure, if you put it next to a non powder board it will run circles around it. However, if you try to reach escape velocity (and God forbid you are trying to do so on choppy crud or groomed slopes) the nose starts vibrating as if it was about to have an orgasm... So anyways, I just got on the mail a 161 Neversummer Sumit (I probably should have gone bigger but wimped out at the end). This thing is more centered than the fish (4-inch setback), bigger, stiffer, has a crazy camber/rocker/camber/rocker shape, and a weird progressive cut on the side. Based on my understanding of the numbers this should translate into a more stable and faster ride, at the sacrifice of flotation and turning ability. All of that shall be answered tomorrow at Hakkoda. In the mean time, anybody else here rocks a NS Summit? How do you like it? Link to post Share on other sites
Thundercat 60 Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Too bad about the boards! I think we were riding the same one actually (red 2007-08 model). I'm so in love with this board. I've never actually noticed the nose having any problem at any speed... we probably ride differently. Let us know how the NS compares. Link to post Share on other sites
seemore 66 Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Hi Yamabushi Let us know how it goes compared to the fish. I don't ride my fish fast enough to give it an orgasm Seemore Link to post Share on other sites
yamabushi 3 Posted January 12, 2012 Author Share Posted January 12, 2012 The thing about the fish is that it excells on tight tree runs, which is 90% of Hakkoda. Outside of tree runs it's like driving a slow car; you shift through the gears like a bat out of hell but when you look at the spedometer you are only doing 60km/h. If you get a chance to try a longer board the added stability, stiffness, and more centered stance makes it feel slower, when in reality you are leaving your buddies behind. We'll see tomorrow... Link to post Share on other sites
panhead_pete 27 Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 REALLY interested to hear how this pans out as loving my Fish and its really helped to improve my riding. But already having a NS in the bag Im keen to hear how the Summit performs. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 how big do they make the Fish? Link to post Share on other sites
panhead_pete 27 Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Mine is 160 TB, not sure above that. Link to post Share on other sites
Memphis Hawk 2 Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I ride a 180cm at Hakkoda and at full tilt the nose will shudder. I don't think it's uncommon for that to happen. Sucks you weren't at Hakkkoda today. A bunch of us were there. Link to post Share on other sites
Memphis Hawk 2 Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 It was snowing super hard when I left by the way today and there was already a fresh 30 INCHES on the ground.. It was REALLY hard to ride, and maybe not the greatest conditions to go full backcountry crazy if that's what you were planning. It's 30+ inches of the super dry light snow. I never saw as many people stuck in the snow as I did today. Link to post Share on other sites
seemore 66 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Wow Pete thought you may have gone for the 156 I would love to try the 160. They go up to 164. Seemore Link to post Share on other sites
yamabushi 3 Posted January 13, 2012 Author Share Posted January 13, 2012 Today the snow was outstanding. It was cold, deep, and the visibility about 30 feet. A perfect hakkoda day I'll do a full review later but for now: The good thing about this board: there is a heck of a lot less vibration on chopped crud. I could certainly go a lot faster. It also carves a lot better than the fish. On the fish you basically ride that surfy feeling that makes us happy, on this one, even on deep powder you felt like you were carving. It also turns like a much smaller board, the average of the vario sidecut radius being similar to that of the 156 fish. The bad: The fish floats a lot better than the summit. I went over the handlebars more times today than on the entire last season and what we had of this one put together. Yes, this is in part because I'm not used to this board but on the fish once you are going, the nose is virtually unsinkable. On the summit burying the nose was a snap, as evident by the oh so many times I pulled it off... This is the crazy part; tomorrow I will cut a small swallow tail on this day old board, probably voiding the 3-year warranty in the process. This is sooooo close of being the perfect hakkoda board (which is half fresh powder, half chopped crap, plus a **** ton of trees) that I have to do it. the board will then become a 159" with a round shaped cut ala fish. this will put the binding setback 2 inches (currently 4) and help sink the tail somewhat. i'm going easy on the cutting because A: it is easier to cut than to add back, and B: I like popping off my tail. Later I'll try to do a complete review for both stock and modified versions. Link to post Share on other sites
Jynxx 4 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Are you sure you wanna cut it? It´s a new board. Can´t you set it back more ? Maybe you put your weight on the back leg before you put pressure on the front .. - what I found out about my nose dig cartwheels. Link to post Share on other sites
yamabushi 3 Posted January 13, 2012 Author Share Posted January 13, 2012 No I don't want to cut it but It has a setback of 4 inches and it is already as far back as it will go. A small notch will effectively give it more setback (which if too much I can always move the bindings further up) and hopefully balance the board for the kinds of conditions I ride in. Pros: more setback, better tail sink, overall better powder flotation. Cons: bye warranty, won't pop off the tail as well. What shouldn't change: Handling, stiffness, speed. Right now this is the best all-mountain board I have ever tried. If somebody tries this board before they get on a Fish they will probably like it best, as it retains the feeling of carving even in deep powder. The fact remains that the fish floats better :\ I'll give it another day at the mountain before I modify it. I also want to take it to a resort to see how it handles groomed slopes. Link to post Share on other sites
panhead_pete 27 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Can you sell it and pick up a Barracuda? Some good reviews of those from this season already. I rode 3 days with a guy with with one and besides the poxy graghics it looked the goods. Link to post Share on other sites
Jynxx 4 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Understood, Yeah. You should have gone longer. I had a look at the NS site. Sweet board. It would be great for my missus who weighs 55 kg. Link to post Share on other sites
gozaimaas 61 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Even though I just cut a huge piece out of my supermodel I would recommend you don't cut the summit. Simply because you will end up wanting to sell it. IMO (and thats all it is) the neversummer rocker/camber profile does not do very well in powder. You already have your bindings all the way back which upsets the balance of the r/c geometry so you are losing the best feature of this board right there. If you are looking for an absolute powder destroyer you have the wrong board (IMO again) and cutting it will just lower the resale value. That board will be an absolute dream on days where there is no new snowfall, centre your stance and charge hard. Link to post Share on other sites
panhead_pete 27 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Have you thought about selling and buying a Gemstick or similar with the giant swallow tail, although Im not sure if yiou can ride them at all switch which can be neccessary at times, especially when in the tight trees. Link to post Share on other sites
gozaimaas 61 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I looked at a gentemstick and it worked out to be over AU$2000. I would love to demo one. Link to post Share on other sites
Jynxx 4 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Get a Prior powerstick or Winterstick ... I agree with gozaimas on all points, I wouldn´t cut the Summit. It has a wierd configuration. Link to post Share on other sites
panhead_pete 27 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Or another fish and a non pow specific deck. Link to post Share on other sites
Jynxx 4 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I am wondering if you can trade back the Summit for a longer one. I reckon if you are riding a 172 board, it would be a powder stick. I´m 60 kg, and if I were to get one for powder, I´d pick a 167. But I´d have a hard time on crud because it has a wide nose and 254 mm would be the widest waist I would go for a size 8 foot. Mogules would be a handful. So for my size, a 161 would be a better compromise for piste/ slack country application. I think the Fish is an easy board to ride in powder, it really stuffs up your riding when you go back to other boards on powder. Hell, I really have to adjust from powder to hard pack on my board on a given day Actually have to be very careful when the terrain changes . Link to post Share on other sites
Mick Rich 78 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Yeah, I'd also be reluctant to cut a new board until I'd exhausted all other options, or at least until I'd given it some battle-scars! I looked at a gentemstick and it worked out to be over AU$2000. I would love to demo one. Hey gozaimass, don't know where you are at the mo' but have you seen this post from Dyna8800? http://www.snowjapan...demo-days-2012/ Link to post Share on other sites
gozaimaas 61 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Yeah I did see that. I will be in rusutsu though so no demo for me Link to post Share on other sites
Mick Rich 78 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 So you're just down the road from Gentemstick's Niseko HQ - go on, you know you want to! Link to post Share on other sites
gozaimaas 61 Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Haha I know I want to as well but I have no car while in rusutsu. Plus I don't want to fall in love with a +$2000 board lol. Link to post Share on other sites
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