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I saw a phrase of "My dad can beat up your father". Is this a common one among American kids? What do you think is an approprite Japanese translation.
Trans#1: "Uchi no o'to-chan ni ee'tukeru!." (I'll ask my dad to scold you.)
Trans#2: "Uchi no o'to-chan no fo ga tsuyoi." (My dad is stronger than your dad.)
I suppose Trans#1 would be a direct translation. But, I feel Trnas#2 would catch a real translation. Trans#2 is a common usage when a kid is beaten by his/her kid friend.
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Sanno, I might not figure your points correctly cos of my poor English reading skill. But, you may address what I want to say.
I want to say Itoigawa road (along Aoki lake and Hime river) has many unique/attractive ski resorts. If there is shuttle bus service "every 20 minitues" between Sun Alpina and Hakuba Cortina, the HAKUBA will be the big ski resort area which has 12 resorts of Sun Alipna Kashimayari, Yanaba, Aokiko, Sanosaka, Hakuba Goryu, 47, Happo, Iwatake, Minetaka, Tsugaike, Norikura and Cortina. If there is a common ski pass, it's great. In the Olympic game year, there were lights and shadows which might cause conflicts, envy, and hate. But, now all are in shadow (resession). I believe this is the time which all the Hakuba ski resorts got together tightly cross over the town/village borders.
Customers have to request those service to local governments, transporters, accomodations and other servicers strongly.
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It's a great benefit for Hakuba to get international recognition at Olympic game time. But, I guess they would been burdened with debt from overinvestments on ski industry.
There might be egotism among towns and villages. I was very suprised that there is no "regular" common ski pass from Sun-Alpia ski resort thru Tsugaike ski resort. They may excuse they sell it with a "special" term. No excuse! It must be in regular. No common shuttle bus is another issue. Some told "That's Tugaike business" when asking how to go to Tsugaike with shuttle bus. I must get angry. We want to enjoy and love "total Hakuba", not only your resort! Are you folks had lived together along Itoigawa Kaido (a traditona road from Ohmachi to Itoigawa)?
Another problem is the developing concept/plan of the resort town. You can see crowded lodges near to Happo ski slopes, while you can see open area near to Hakuba JR station. When you stay at Misorano village, it may be hard work to go to bars at Happo in the night time. Accomodations want customers to pay money at their own facilities. No one think seriously about terms of "total", "four seasons", and "customer wants".
Don't say Hakuba is a remote locaton for excuse. Vail is far from Denver. Jackson Hole is also far. Big Sky is far from Bozeman. If you stay at Frisco (CO.), you can go several resorts around Frisco by "free" shuttle bus. The shuttle bus fare between Jackson Hole down town and JH ski village is cheap.
Hakuba service providers must learn much about operations/managements of four seasons recreation system from many US local resorts. I dare say they may learn nothing when staying at Ritz Carlton, Vail.
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Okutadami is located in the north of famous Oze. I suppose it is rather summer resort than winter. Also, access is limitted by snow in winter.
I've not heard bc skiers go to Okutadami. There is a long mt route from Tadami to Aizu-Asahi-dake(1,624m) to Aizu-Koma-gatake to Hino'e'mata. Oze, the south of Okutadami has Hiuchi-gatake*(2,356m), Hira-gatake(2,144m), and Aizu-Koma-gatake*(2,133m) accessed from Hinoemata. The north of Okutadami has Sumon-dake*(1,537m) and Asakusa-dake*(1,585m) accessed from Koide.
*: popular bc ski mountains.
Yahoo! Map (Okutadami Dam):
http://map.yahoo.co.jp/pl?nl=37.9.5.091&el=139.15.11.717&la=1&fi=1&skey=%b1%fc%c2%fe%b8%ab&sc=7
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I agree with TJ OZ as for Hakuba snow visitors. My idea dated May 18 was for people who want to drive rent-a-cars. Note that you can not enjoy Sake and beers before driving a car.
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If the forecast is fine, I will go to Norikura on May 21 Sunday even I am alone. My friends from Osaka will came too. We will climb up from Sanbondaki.
The TR on May 21.
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Sanno, I'll be out of town on Friday and Saturday. I'll be back to my home Sat 6:00pm. If you can join, pls send me a PM by Sat 5:00pm.
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If you can read road info (in Kanji) well, it may be good to pick/return a rent-a-car at Narita airport. But, not, it would be much stress. An idea is to reach Hakuba village by train & bus, then to pick/return a rent-a-car there. Local companies can provide local service for snow roads. (Narita has no snow.) If you want to go around many Hakuba ski resorts, a rent-a-car is strongly recomended. A rent-a-car company office is Hakuba office of "JR Eki Rent-a-car".
Hakuba office : 0261-71-1222
E-mail: reserve@mx.ekiren.co.jp
Location: JR Hakuba station (09:00-18:00)
When you pick up a car at the Hakuba office, you have to return the car to the office. You required earlier reservation cos #cars are less. Check the car has snow tires. Probably, English conversation would be tough. You may inquiry by e-mail.
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There was a report a guy fought debris at Yumiori-dake on May 14. I am not a good skier enjoying skiing on debris. I put off my schedule for Harinoki-dake to May 27 or 28 again.
I would like to go to Norikura on May 21 Sunday if the forecast(at Saturday noon) predicts fine and if I have a mate sharing gas/highway/parkinglot costs. Picking loc/date/time is Denenchofu/May20/22:00. Does anyone raise your hand ?
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There are four routes to climb up Mt.Fuji (3,776m).
- Yosida-guchi (2,305m): Up 5:00 & Down 3:00
- Subashiri-guchi (1,980m): Up 5:30 & Down 2:30
- Gotenba-guchi (1,440m): Up 7:20 & Down 3:00
- Fujimiya-guchi (2,400m): Up 4:35 & Down 2:30
note) Plus one hour on climbing up time for average hikers.
Shuttle bus for each trail head(guchi) operates from July 1st thru August end. Only bus for Yoshida-guchi operates from April 29. There is a fine lodge at Yoshida-guchi which accomodation starts from June 30.
If I were you without a car;
1st day: Shinjyuku -bus- Kawaguchiko -bus- Yoshida-guchi -20 min walk- Sato hut (Stay).
2nd day: Sato hut -climb 6 hours- The Top - down 3 hours- Yoshida-guchi -bus- Kawaguchiko -bus- Shinjyuku.
Sato hut is a typical Japanese mountain hut provides meal and bed service. No bath and no shower. You do not expect western style accomodation. It is really "Japanese". e.g. a FUTON in a common TATAMI room.
The temprature around the top will be near to zero centigrage at dawn. You must ware underwares for mountaneers (no cotton) and autumn clothes, and have a thick fleece jacket, a rain ware, a headlamp and other hiking stuffs. Footware may be treckig shoes, heavy-duty sneakers, or light-weight mountain boots.
Information:
Bus schedule: +81-545-71-2495 (J languge only)
Reservation:
Sato hut: +81-555-23-1807 (J language only)
Sunrise Time at Yoshida-guchi:
May to June: 04:20am to 04:32am
June to Aug: 04:32am to 04:55am
Sept to Oct: 05:19am to 05:42am
Yahoo! Map(Kenga-mine: The top of Mt.Fuji):
http://map.yahoo.co.jp/pl?nl=35.21.26.22...b%ce%bb%b3&sc=5
Yahoo! Map(Yoshida-guchi):
http://map.yahoo.co.jp/pl?nl=35.23.26.82...b%ce%bb%b3&sc=5
Yahoo! Map(Subashiri-guchi):
http://map.yahoo.co.jp/pl?nl=35.21.46.66...b%ce%bb%b3&sc=5
Yahoo! Map(Gotenba-guchi):
http://map.yahoo.co.jp/pl?nl=35.19.57.90...b%ce%bb%b3&sc=5
Yahoo! Map(Fujimiya-guchi):
http://map.yahoo.co.jp/pl?nl=35.20.0.502...b%ce%bb%b3&sc=5
Yahoo! Map(Sato Hut):
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Charge of gas & highway from Tokyo is too high to go alone. If I can not find any with me, I will not go. I've not get any at this point.
No e-mail has come by May 14 18:00. Sorry I will not go to Norikura.
Toque, foreast tells it will be still FINE on Monday. Enjoy Norikura !
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I planned to go to Harinoki-dake on May 13, but withdrew it, and postponed it to May 20 or 21. Still, I and my friends see avalanche risk in valleys.
Monday? Oh, it will be fine, a forcast tells.
If anyone join me from Tokyo, I may drive my car to Norikura. Sharing gas/highway/parkinglot charge is needed. The picking time/loc is around 22:00 on May 14 Sunday at Den'en'chofu station, Tokyu Toyoko line. We will return to Tokyo on May 15 evening. Please send me an e-mail at snowconnection@yahoo.co.jp if anyone wants to join.
No application came by May 14 18:00. I will not go to Norikura.
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Norikura-dake (different to Hakuba Norikura) is a polular location for spring bc skiing. You may enjoy bc skiing by June-begin (June-end this year?).
Access & BC skill(Easier Beginner):
Norikura Sky Line road opens on May 15. You can reach Tatatami-daira by train/bus from JR Takayama stn., or by car from Hirayu Onsen of R158. Tatamidaira is a popular sightseeing place where you can see many tourists, some lodges, souvenir shops and a post office. You may hike up the top of Mt.Norikura, and ski down to Tatamidaira.
Note: From this 2006 year, you have to park your own car at Okuhida Onsengo (Akandana) parking lot(500 yen) or Hounoki Daira parking lot(N/C), and to take a shuttle bus for Tatamidaira.
Access & BC skill(So-So Intermediate):
You need your own car or a taxi in bc season. Bus service will start from July. You can reach to Sanbondaki from R158. You may hike up the top of Mt.Norikura, and ski down to Sanbondaki. If you do not have your own car, you may find an inn near to Sanbondaki who provides trasportation service.
Yahoo! Map(Norikura-dake):
http://map.yahoo.co.jp/pl?nl=36.6.13.875...e%e8%b0%c8&sc=5
Yahoo! Map(Tatamidaira):
http://map.yahoo.co.jp/pl?nl=36.7.18.029...e%e8%b0%c8&sc=5
Yahoo! Map(Sanbondaki):
http://map.yahoo.co.jp/pl?nl=36.6.52.855...e%e8%b0%c8&sc=6
Road Information:
http://www.hida-norikura.com/skyline.html
Note: Don't use Kamikochi Norikura Super Rindo to go to Tatami-daira or to Sanbondaki.
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> Toque wrote: Strange to go missing when the weather was so good on May 5.
Yes, strange. I guess the guy had skied down over Masago-sawa-De'a'i to Futamata cos of good weather and good snow, and might be TOO TIRED to back to Tsurugi-Gozen. (I guess he did not lost his way...) There is a hut, Masago-sawa Lodge at Masagosawa Deai under snow on May, opens from July-begin thru Oct-mid.
Yahoo! Map (Masagosawa Deai):
http://map.yahoo.co.jp/pl?nl=36.36.26.19...e%a9%bb%b3&sc=5
I found an unique 3D map around Tateyama Masagosawa area, fyi.
http://awl.chat-jp.com/Mountain/2003_07_20_murodou_kurobe.html
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I am not sure if anyone has posted this news.
http://www.hakuba47.co.jp/today47.html
Hakuba 47 opens on May 12, 13 and 14.
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A skier (male, 39 from Sendai) was killed by a crash to a collapsed old tree when he skied around Akakura-dake in Houkibatai route of Mt. Hakkoda on May 6th 11:00am. He skied with 9 of his friends, fell down and got his head bruised.
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/national/news/20060506i412.htm
Yahoo! Map (Akakura-dake):
http://map.yahoo.co.jp/pl?nl=40.39.54.40...9%c3%c5%c4&sc=5
Houkibatai Route:
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/f/toukoukai/sub6/3588_hokiba/3588_hokiba.htm
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A skier (male, 59 from Shizuoka) was found in dead on May 5th on the top of Bonten-dake(1,765m) 15Km north from A'i'zu-Koma-gatake. He was believed to be a missing person who had climbed Aizu-Koma-gatake on April 8th. He was supposed to be dead in hypothemia.
http://www.asahi.com/national/update/0505/TKY200605050129.html
Yahoo! Map (Bonten-dake):
http://map.yahoo.co.jp/pl?nl=37.9.7.808&...b%de%b4%f4&sc=7
a mt. mark(2,133m) 15Km south to the center mark is Aizu-Koma-gatake.
An onsen mark near to Aizu-Koma-gatake is famous Hino'e'mata.
Comment:
Aizu-koma-gatake is popular among spring BC skiers. It is not so difficult in terms of BC skiing technique, but makes people lost their ways sometimes with small complexed valleys and ridges.
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Three were killed by an avalanche at the east side valley (Harinoki Sekkei) of Harinoki-dake (2,821m) , Nagano on May 1st 11:30am.
http://sbc21.co.jp/my-cgi/sbc_news.cgi?page=seventop&date=20060501&id=0107220&action=details
A party of four (one male & 3 females) and one solo male climber were attached by an avalanche at around 2,000m alt. in Harinoki Sekkei. The avalanche was 300m long with 40m width. Four were burried except a man, 53, from Saitama. One woman, 46, from Kanagawa was rescued five hours later. She can breathe in a small slot among rock and ice. Two women (53 from Saitama and 46 from Tokyo) and one men (the solo, 50's) died from suffocation. Ohmachi, the nearest town had rain in the morning, south wind, and 23 centigrage at 11am.
Yahoo! Map (Harinoki Sekkei 2,000m):
http://map.yahoo.co.jp/pl?nl=36.32.36.23...7%f2%c7%cf&sc=6
Comment:
I suppose they were skiers. Both Harinoki Sekkei and Hakuba Dai-Sekkei are popular among skiers and snowboarders in spring. But, they have much avalanche risk at least untill 1st week of May. Most people visit there on/after mid-May. The lady buried but rescured wore her beacon. The rescue members heard her crying with the beacon signal.
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The same idea though I do not go BC by myself. A solo skier tells he can go forward/backward by his own decision and take his way at hazoudous place. Why do not I go alone ? I do not carry enough bivouac gears and foods for when breaking a leg or when loosing skies.
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http://www.21photo.jp/hebi/page2-1.htm
Snake="蛇", Poison=”毒”, Have Poison="有毒", No Poison="無毒".
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Yamada-san showed how the top racers skined on/off. It's too quick. Of course, they did not put off skis. It's like putting on/off ski covers during a step stop on walking.
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Toque, I posted the 2nd JSMC Race report on a new topic.
http://www.snowjapanforums.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/6732.html
You can do it next season !
I would advise you to contact Yamada-san before attending the race.
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Ref. http://www.snowjapanforums.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/5985.html?
I've never been to the race. Following info comes from the web site.
The 2nd Japan Ski Mountaineering Campionship Race took place on April 16 Sunday. The race course was some changed by bad weather condition where it was a region between Tsugaike ski area and Tengu-ppara. There were the opening ceremony and course inspection on April 14 Saturday aftenoon. 27 men entried Full course, 11.4Km distance and 945m alt dif. 3 men and 2 women entried Half 7.6Km distance and 945m alt dif. 24men and 1 women finished the races. The men winner was Minehiro Yokohama with one hour 32min 12.4 sec. For the details, see;
http://www.jma-sangaku.or.jp/jimu/docs/temp/jsmc2006result.pdf
Comment:
I had a chance to have short talk with Seiji Yamada during an Onagi-yama BC tour. He is a famous alpain/tele racer, and took the 2nd position on the race. He said this was fun but a specialized sport. Top racers wore "own invented" gears, and drove "own invented" techniques. Yamada-san is a really nice guy, and the owner of Yamada Ryokan, Otari village, Nagano. I am not sure if he can speak English well.
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I realized Japan Geographical Survey Institute "国土地理院" had released a new search engine for 1:25,000 topos of Japan.
The preliminary service site is Japanese language only.
- Please do not make any "direct link" to map images for avoiding overwork of the server.
- A private use copy is allowed under Japanese Copyright Act.
- A commercial use copy requires approval by JGSI.
The search engine is Japanese language only.
http://watchizu.gsi.go.jp/mapsearch.html
1. Search by Topo Map Index
(1) Select a name of 1:200,000 maps.
(2) Select a name of 1:25,000 maps.
1:200,000="20万分1", 1:25,000="2万5千分1"
2. Search by Location Name or Building Name
(1) The search name must be Japanese Kanji characters.
Search="検索", Cancel="取消"
(2) Select a prefecture name.
All Prefectures="全国", XX Prefecture="ＸＸ県"
(3) Check category
Location Name="地名等注記", Public Buildings Name="公共施設等"
3. Search by Latitude & Longtitude
(1) Specify North Latititude with "ddmmss.ssss"
(2) Specify East Longtitude with "dddmmss.ssss"
Latitude="緯度",Longtitude=経度,Search="検索",Cancel="取消"
4. Search by Town Name
(1) Select a prefecture name.
(2) Select a town or village name
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Thanks, Bushpig. Yah, yah. What intereseted me was if this is a popular usage among Americans to use the fighting phrase on father's day greeting cards.
FYI. These are sample greeting cards.
http://greeting.rakuten.co.jp/event/father/
The popular phrase among Japanese kids is "O'to-san, Arigato!" (Thanks! Dad.) or like. Kids show thanks to his/her farther. Is this the same among Americans ?