Fattwins
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You will need them to come back or the apartment model will implode.
How much did the average apartment drop in market value?
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Last season was the first real season that the Honshu Ski areas jumped into the overseas battle. Many associations started actively marketing an option to Niseko. Furano continued to push as well. There really is a limit to the overseas ski market in Japan and the pie is only so big.
The Global economy isn't exactly on fire. If you go shopping anywhere right now there are tons of deals. The 25% discount in Niseko is really sort of old news. Those discounts were offered in early March. The most aggressive one I saw was; an ad that was willing to undercut any official quote be 20%.
The large problem with price cuts (in any bussiness) is that it hurts the bottom line. It is also hard to justify a significant price rise the next time, because the value of the product has changed.
Right now no one really knows what is going to happen within the ski market of Japan. Last season a huge chunk of the overseas market paid way too much for their vacations. How much of that chunk can afford return? Generating new customers to action sports, expensive ones at that is not easy. It is especially hard in tougher times to convince someone to spend a good chunk of coin on something totally new.
So with my limited marketing education I would say that the marketing managers know this and want to lock in as many early guests as possible. It is like selling seasons tickets or seasons passes cheaply. You secure your revenue to secure your business.
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The price war winds are blowing through all of Japan. Just look at the local supermarket and check the price of bread.
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Since most of the major N.A. ski resorts are public companies you can find out the stats easy enough. Whether this will translate to the Japanese market is still a major question.
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The facts in N.A. are that skiing is on the rise. whistler saw skiing pass snowboarding 2 seasons ago. twin tips and backcountry are pushing skiing again.
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The rankings are from the FIS 2008/2009 season.
Also the rossignol ski I quoted was wrong sorry it
was so long ago. Not the 10x but the 7xk with VAS.
Along with the 7sk these skis pushed tomba to new
heights.
Remembering also that the first skis to go fat were
Atomic, rossinol, dynamic and Volkl. Salomon brought the idea of torsional stiffness verse lateral stiffness to the market.With K2 pushing the 4 ski and Elan bringing parabolic skis to the market
ski designs were forever changed. You dont need a super stiff ski
to be able to cruise fast.
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1 Rossignol 10872
2 Atomic 10569
3 Head 8056
4 Fischer 4325
5 Voelkl 3998
Full ranking
Last years manufacture ranking for skis.
Ogasaka is based in nagano and the pros
get a pro form discount. When I think carving
racing I want Atomic hands down. Their designs
over the past 13 years pushed the Austrians
to new levels. The Beta series is still fast.
Remembering that minus 10 years ago or less, the
common all round ski for powder etc was a GS or
detuned GS ski ie softer. The skis at this time
were really being pushed by changes by companies
like Rossi with the 10xk, Atomic and the beta 10
series, Salomon and the equipe 9 and 8. If you look
at the insides of those skis you will see were designs
started to develop again. Most of the Japanese skis
are stale versions compared to this construction.
Stiff skis that ride well fast but can do nothing at
slower speeds.
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Vector glide are at times too stiff. A stiff ski requires weight or speed to get desired flex. Too be honest really have you seen many Japanese skis winning anything? Its not that they aren't good but are they really pushing progression?
pmgear is a quiver killer ski. a pair of soft bros with a touring binding pretty much kills everything but the bumps.
At the moment though I really like the direction of moment skis. seriously pushing things in the freeride world. the comi kazi 160 136 145 massive skis for humming down biglines.
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Supply and demand.
Japan has an over supply of resorts for the market.
In Nagano alone there are about 30 places with 3 lifts or less.
You then have Nigata with about the same or a bit less.
There is a market for small resorts but that is pushing it.
You then have Gunma as well competing for the core Tokyo market.
You have many major resorts within 1 to 1.5 hours from each other. All competing for a shrinking market. A summer market that is more geared to climbing and staying on the mountains. A market competing with one winter theme snow. You get figures bloated all the time. some resorts floating 2 meters more snow on average than they did 4 to 5 years ago.
For some resorts to survive others have to close. The whole Japanese market needs to restructure itself. If it does not contract you are going to see a price war. In fact that price war has already begun. As supply far out ways demand.
I too like myoko akakura but they could easily slash costs. At one point they had 28 lifts. Im sure they have shut some down. You could get the same access with about 10 lifts. even less if it was properly planned. Fact is snow sports in Japan will not comeback to previous levels. That is one example, and in no way is Myoko the only resort guilty of wasting money.
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I found vector glides to be quite stiff and unforgiving.
I liked them shorter rather than longer as well. I skied
the cordova 190 and 180 while instructing.
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Happo had a chance 2 years ago to sell but didnt. That said much the same reason that Nozawa onsen most likely will never fail is..
the banks keep these people afloat. The amount of money flowing into the bank via paychecks or whatever is still worth while. Untill the bank says that they will no longer support the lift companies nothing will well and truely change.
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The point that cb is trying to make is that at shiga you get 500 vertical meters of sking.
In hakuba you get 1000 vertical meters. if you compare the 2 resorts and those last 500 vertical meters the snow is about the same. With the wheather freeze level reaching 3000 meters all the snow in nagano is or has turned to melt freeze.
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too many ifs! He couldve wandered under snow falling from a roof.
Time will tell.
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10000 yen is the buy price because they cant gift it away. That said you are talking about years of debt owed. In many cases that debt owed is more expensive than buying a place with zero debt.
You can buy a 2 or 3ldk in the area for around 5mil or less. I know 3 people who have pads there. Quick hop to Tokyo the buildings are also nice with pools and gyms. That said the price will never increase so it is not an investment really.
It is sad but the Japanese ski industry needs this. For the viable to survive in the long term some resorts need to die. Naeba is a viable resort it needs to cut costs though. That Hotel though is a drain it is just too big!
It is sad to say but would it really hurt Myoko to loose sugadaira?
I dont think so it makes Akakura better.
Does Hakuba really need highland minekata or even sun alpina? Dont think that it does.
Shiga kogen could and should contract as well!
Nozawa Onsen is always trying to sell a new image and cant make money.
Hokkaido has a population of 5plus million. There are what 100 ski resorts? How is that number vaible? It just doesnt make any sense in todays J-ski market.
There are so many bubble mistakes out there too many really.
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I wanted to see her but there was too much new snow in the alpine to stand around a mogul course.
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The cables are commuication wires. There is another set on the north side of that ridge.
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cb get ready to hike im going to march you up 1.5 hours to something off of mumezawa on Saturday.
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Skied the bottom left corner shoulder today and it was nice!
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the question is do you want to know
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That was yesterday today was a replay as 15 to 20cms fell in the alpine!
To quote my friend it was sicktarded
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Of the rockers sick!
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I use graphite wax much better.
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They have saved one person.
Big pre-season discounts? Is this a new thing or are we in new terrority?
in Snow talk, trip reports, Japan avalanche & backcountry
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With such an early push for sales and discounts Im not surprised that bookings would be up.
As far as best snow in Japan Shiga is still ranked higher and Cortina still averages more snow. insert wink