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WHAOA ! That has got me all ill that vid... I think I already recounted an adventure I had in Canada similar to that on SJF. Gotta have a buddy and a plan.

 

That guy was so close to death, he is coughing up blood... not good...

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But Jynxx is right... and it isn't unique to Japan.

 

I established (admitted) long ago I wasn't an expert on Japan and never professed to be one. On the contrary.

 

I don't know why people got upset. Tourist complex... far too succinct, Jynxx and better to call it a syndrome

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NO that is the wrong implication Jynxx (apparently)

 

PS I was never bitching, just conversing... I do bastard better than bitch

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Personal abuse... how charming, why can't you interact here with civility? Play nice

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Originally Posted By: SKI

Originally Posted By: Tex

I think you all REALLY DO want to go to ski resorts with out foreigners in Japan but just can't admit it.

Nope, that's not the point.

If you read the points again, you'll see that.

Well the best I can make of it is you want 'some' but not 'lots' please elaborate.

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Originally Posted By: RobBright

If the foreigners are like tex, then no, I don't want them.

Then it is a self fulfilling prophecy

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You see I never saw the 'implication' I made as BAD, or NEGATIVE. Only you lot did... WHY?

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Originally Posted By: SKI

Seems like you misjudged PWL as well.

Epic fail!

But I didn't judge anyone and this seals it for me... 'misjudged' that is what you all thought. That I was judging you... funny

I think you all REALLY DO want to go to ski resorts with out foreigners in Japan but just can't admit it.

I WILL!!! I would LOVE to go to a an awesome Japanese ski resort and be the only Giajin I saw for weeks on end... sheesh.... but of course none of you would

WTF absolutely BIZARRE how this has transpired...

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Oh OK I see now, it is all so clear (clear as yellow snow), you all want 'some' foreigners but just 'not many'. I guess Seemore will say he wasn't saying that as well Totally confused...

 

I wasn;t trying to put words into peoples mouths it really just occured as what I thought people meant... to me that is what you were saying, you would rather not be around foreigners while at ski resorts in Japan. But frankly this now seems more like damage control for lack of specificity rather than anything else, did I confront it on the wrong level? meh!

 

Here I was then hoping to indulge in some reasonable conversation about the pros and cons of the domestic vs international market but end up debating what the debate is really about. Too cerebral perhaps, my apologies.

 

Let's just all go back deciding who we would like to play us in a movie... far less controversial.

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Originally Posted By: SKI

Originally Posted By: Tex

I think that is what they were saying perhaps not verbatim but that is the implication.

Ridiculous.
No-one said that and no-one implied it.
They just want to find a place that isn't gaijintown.

splitting hairs Ski.

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Ridiculous?

 

Look, people can do what ever they want more strength to them, but lets just own up to it for crying out loud. It is fine if people want that, I don't judge them for it, it is not bad, nor is it right or wrong, just a preference... but the implication is most certainly there. Why the ambivalence... You guys still think the world is flat too?

 

Originally Posted By: seemore

 

My next trip will be somewhere away from foreigners I just need to learn the lingo so I can talk to people if need be.

 

Seemore

 

Good on ya Seemore, go fot it, hope you have a great time (sure you will)

 

 

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I think that is what they were saying perhaps not verbatim but that is the implication.

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You asked a question...

Originally Posted By: muikabochi

And I don't think anyone here was mentioning they wanted a ski resort "without any foreigners". Where was that btw?

 

I answered. Why so obtuse

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Originally Posted By: muikabochi

And I don't think anyone here was mentioning they wanted a ski resort "without any foreigners". Where was that btw?

Originally Posted By: PWL

Good day today at 47/Goryu.
I took some snaps so I will upload sometime in the next few days.

But.... is this actually Japan?!

Wouldn't think it with pretty much everyone walking around being a foreigner. Not so much on the slopes, but the place I was at this evening for a meal there wasn't a Japanese person there, just hordes of foreign males!

Must say, disappointed in that aspect.

Originally Posted By: SKI

Originally Posted By: PWL

Good day today at 47/Goryu.
I took some snaps so I will upload sometime in the next few days.

But.... is this actually Japan?!

Wouldn't think it with pretty much everyone walking around being a foreigner. Not so much on the slopes, but the place I was at this evening for a meal there wasn't a Japanese person there, just hordes of foreign males!

Must say, disappointed in that aspect.

There are more people beginning to say that.
If you are staying in a Japanese-run place just ask the dudes running and they'll probably give you some local lowdown rather than shufting you off to the gaijin places.

I would feel the same if I were you to be honest.
I don't like Hakuba half as much as I used to these days and it will just get more that way.
I much prefer other places now.

Originally Posted By: seemore

I know what you mean Muika.

My next trip will be somewhere away from foreigners I just need to learn the lingo so I can talk to people if need be.

Seemore

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Originally Posted By: muikabochi

Lots of people who come to Japan once or twice and visit "the big ones" seem to get this impression that they know it all* now and that is pretty much it. That is a big mistake.

(* not implying that about you Tex)

That's fine, imply it if you want anyway, I have thicker skin that that IMO it is a superficial point about a greater scheme...

It is interesting to me whatever position you take on it. The thing is that some people do seem very egocentric about these things.

Japan is not the only place in the world to have ski resorts that cater to both domestic and international tourists of varying degrees - but they could be considered amongst those, 'niche' markets. I have been to only two places in Japan but to *to know it all* IMHO is not to know Japan, or it's ski culture and resorts anyway, rather the greater concept of its place amongst the the 'whole' industry...worldwide.

Yes, I know little about Japan or its resorts, but I have been to over 20 different resorts all over the world to make comparisons to those I have been to (only two of those in Australia). I have very close friends who have lived in Japan for many years who also gave me some insight

My point is that I believe the Japanese 'domestic' market is diminishing and many resorts are and will require increased international trade to maintain or develop, this is not my thesis.

If you want a pure Japanese resort experience sans Giajin (I assume that includes all Gaijin not just westerners) that will be hard, and harder to find in the future. I am sure they are there, but as we know, increasingly it is really the snow experience that seems to be attracting the tourists more than the cultural ones... if I were to be proposing a business model it would not be based on pure cultural or a lack of foreigners, that just doesn't seem to be selling as well as the pure snow experience.

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Yes but they are in serious decline, no proof or source to point you too about that, it is just the apparent state of things - is it wrong? Happy to be corrected.

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Well yes, in fact it is imperative because the point that people are making is that they don't want to see Gaijin. They want to be surrounded by Japanese and Japanese culture, at a ski resort. Those criteria can only be met by a domestic tourist destination. Quite apparent really.

 

EDIT: If you mean does it matter that they are going under... well I guess that depends on if you want good facilitates, service and holiday experience that more than a camping trip to the snow

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So you have to go to a 'domestic' tourist destination. Aren't they the ones struggling or going under?

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As funny as it sounds (or at least was meant to be) there could be a plot in there somewhere... perhaps a bit too 'Being John Malkovic' however

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She would also play my wife

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Sandra Bullock

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Originally Posted By: MitchPee

Anyone have any suggestions besides Wild Bill's? We could go to Monty's or that one bar next to it the Aussie bar tamu something? Mon night sounds good for me I will do what I can to get there at a certain time

MONTY'S! great steak with MASSIVE Prawns, all cooked to perfection and beautiful salad.

Of course I won't be there so my vote doesn't count