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I do not care if different cultures have different practices. This makes me sick. No doubt there is an excuse or reason for this scene. There always is.

 

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Dolphin slaughter ... This photo was taken on October 6 this year and provided for publication by the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society. It shows Japanese fishermen in a boat loaded with slaughtered dolphins in a cove in Taiji harbor, in Japan's Wakayama prefecture. The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society documented the slaughter of dolphins to highlight an "international day of protest against the Japanese dolphin slaughter", which began yesterday. Photo: AFP/ Sea Shepherd Conservation Society

 

Here is another angle:

 

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Bloody sea ... The photographs and video of dolphin slaughter released by the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society have brought international condemnation over the seemingly cruel methods used to slaughter dolphins, whose meat is destined for supermarkets. Japan describes the criticism as cultural imperialism. Photo: AFP/ Sea Shepherd Conservation Society

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sucks, but I always thought that the reason for killing the dolphins was to eliminate competition for the fish that we and they both prey on, and not to get dolpin meat.

 

either way, it is as bothersome as any mistreatment of animals that happens in my book. From whale slaughter and factory farms to zebra pelts and mink farms, to bear traps and Steve Irwin ;\) I am not in favor of any of it.

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Somewhere in there is a large shark lurking to give these people their uppance.

 

Cull the dolphin numbers to make better fish supplies for the humans?

 

1. When was the last time Dolphins participated in Human Culling to make it easier for them to catch fish?

 

2. Whatever happend to the food chain and how do we explain the crap load of fish that still exist when there are and have been no controlled breeding practices for dolphins in wild for many hundred years.

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Unfortunately it's true. A neighbour of mine (foreigner pro photographer) was going to go down there and take photos and get them out in the world, but it was too short notice for him to get there when he got the word, but he's been helping the other protesters. He said that some activists had been attacked by hostile dolphin killers.

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Dolphins are my fav animals too.

To look at that makes me sick.

Isolated tribes sometimes hunt a whale here or there for survival, but this is ridiculous.

Why the hell don't they slaughter all the frikkin cows in this country and for once and for all get rid of mad cows? ( saw new case on TV this am)

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I must admit that I am not rational when it comes to this issue. Dolphins should be left alone.

 

But where do you draw the line and why?

 

I am pretty sure that most of us go to great lengths to avoid seeing images of a cow slaughter house that shoots 200 cows in the head every day and then hangs them upside down, blood etc etc

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in my last job I had to go visit a slaughter/meat factory. they killed everything from pigs to cows.

even standing in the carpark was a horrible experience.....the place just smelt like death .

you are right db...where do we draw the line?

i guess at least domestic animals we farm and to a certain extent control the population....wild animals on the other hand we really have no control over.

we humans are such locusts

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I once watched some lard-ass NZ girl pestering an inoffensive Japanese girl at YH in Scotland accusing her of being a whale-killer. This while lard-ass was frying her pork sausages.

 

That 'Sea Shepherd' website is pathetic. They talk about 'expressing your outrage', but they're no better than that overweight, opinionated, irrational nuisance in the YH. It's normal when inviting people to take part in a political campaign against a foreign country to outline a case for action. This they cannot be bothered to do.

 

Are dolphins rare? Are they likely to go extinct if 'harvested'? Are there no regulations and standards in place for their slaughter? If so, perhaps they should be brought in line with other such standards. How about 'Sea Shepherds for a quick kill'?

 

It seems that everybody has their favourite species and gets their underwear in a big bunch when somebody else kills and eats it. This is just 'speciesism', and may or may not one day be tolerated.

 

Lentil stew, anyone?

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Are dolphins rare? Are they likely to go extinct if 'harvested'? Are there no regulations and standards in place for their slaughter? If so, perhaps they should be brought in line with other such standards. How about 'Sea Shepherds for a quick kill'?

It seems that everybody has their favourite species and gets their underwear in a big bunch when somebody else kills and eats it. This is just 'speciesism', and may or may not one day be tolerated.

Lentil stew, anyone?
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that is very much a generalisation...as it applies to pretty much everything on the plant including humans....

so my question is ...when determining whether a particular species should be allowed to be "harvested" .....should intelligence play a factor?

(if so there's gonna be alot of happy pork sausages out there)

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No, that generalization doesn't usually apply to humans - that's the point.

 

Until dolphins develop effective communication so that word of this kind of slaughter gets about, and they start shunning humans, or at least Japanese, and maybe begin taking defensive or retaliatory measures (reprisals against surfers?), then the question is moot. People are generally only concerned if it looks like the species will vanish altogether, and not much even then.

 

Anyway, nearly all animals that we eat are intelligent. That argument isn't going to go very far methinks.

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I'll take you up on the lentil stew, Ocean, as I don't eat any animals, and haven't for a long time. True I ate the occasional fish while in Japan, but I think eating fish is more justifiable than eating other animals, because fish live their lives free. Although after reading about overfishing, It has once again become less justifiable in my mind.

 

Anyways, I think that the way people treat animals they eat reflects two things - 1) an ignorance lack of care about what goes into the farming of animals that become food, and 2) and active desire to continue ignoring and continue not caring about these animals. The information is everywhere. People just choose to ignore it.

 

It upsets me too, when people cry foul over dolphins or baby seals or whatever. It's not that I have anything against those animals. I would like the dolphins and the baby seals to live. But yeah, how can you fry your pork sausage or whatever, and bitch about this. But on the other hand, just because something isn't endangered or whatever doesn't mean it is cool to eat it. Plus this case seems to have a similar flavor to the old killing whales for scientific research (on a fishing vessel) schtick. When it comes to killing marine animals, the Japanese seem to be particularily good at covering up their true intentions.

 

The way people treat animals illustrates a lack of compassion that easily translates to the way people treat other people. It is much easier to ignore the bum on the street or the war in the foreign place, knowing that "someone somewhere, probably some politician is taking/should take care of that."

 

As politicians don't seem to listen to people, I think the best thing people can do is make at least some effort to politicize their spending power, and not buy from companies who support causes that people don't like. And mention what you are doing and why to others. If people can do that without getting all soap-box preachy, some minds might just change.

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Hang on Barok,

 

What about fish farms and free range chickens? wakaranai.gif

 

And this raises an interesting point that I love to challange preachy in-my-face vegetarians with (no not you Barok). Why is it alright to murder and eat plants (sometimes while still living eek.gif ) but not animals? I am currently doing a postdoc here in Japan studying plant hormone physiology and I am amazed on a daily basis just how "alive" and responsive to stimulus plants are. It is also amazing just how many chemicals and proteins/receptors are common or at least homologous in both plants and animals.

So here's the challenge, define pain, define suffering and explain why plants are OK to eat but not animals (environmental issues aside). I am just interested what people think, and the arguments they bring up in the spirit of a good debate. (Perhaps I should have waited till 4.30 tomorrow for this one)

 

Just think of those poor carrots ;\)

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