joshnii 2 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 Just saw about this on the news and checked out the website.... There's this new map of Japan showing all regions and the "danger level" for earthquakes. Different colors for different predicted strength of movement if there was an earthquake there. There's a shocking great big (red - shindo 7) line straight down the middie of Nagano which looked pretty scary. It's all online (in PDF files, folks) from the following site (which at the time of writing seems to be overloaded!) http://www.jishin.go.jp/ Everyone in Japan - check it out.... Link to post Share on other sites
mina2 6 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 Can't see it, if it was on the news the server will probably be having a hard time. Not sure if I want to see it actually. Link to post Share on other sites
joshnii 2 Posted March 24, 2005 Author Share Posted March 24, 2005 Well, "into it" doesn't quite sound right. But yes I have been through a pretty big experience, and the whole subject does interest me more than it did before. I'm sure if you had, you would be too. But I'm fine, I am not and wasn't being miserable...... I was simply pointing out a thing that was on the national news that will be of interest to everyone here. That's all. (Reading your posts for a few years, I've actually thought you were the one who needed generally cheering up ) Link to post Share on other sites
big-will 7 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 Saw that on the news last night and yeah I'm interested..... but the website still seems to be overloaded or just not working. Link to post Share on other sites
scouser 4 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 I took a look at that last night. Interesting how Fukuoka and Niigata were not shown as areas that would have as strong a shake as they both had. Just goes to show, it can apparently happen anywhere. Link to post Share on other sites
veronica 2 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 Shizuoka don't look too safe on that. Link to post Share on other sites
bong 0 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 Yes looks like we are living on the most dangerous part of Japan veronica. Link to post Share on other sites
akibun 0 Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 When I look at map and all of Japan covered, and then they say kedo it could happening anywhere like... maybe I think best to not look at it. Link to post Share on other sites
gamera 0 Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 Basically, Japan is located at the border where some plural plates meet. Additional, each and every plate has many small active faults in them. So earthquakes could happen anywhere in this tiny country. Even if there's no faults shown in that kind of maps, you have to be sure there might be some unidentified active faults inside. It's hard to predict when and where earthquakes happen which is no one's fault. lol Confusing.... fault for 'katsu-danso' and 'sei' or do I ryhme? Link to post Share on other sites
tsondaboy 0 Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 正断層 is diferent than 活断層. The first term corresponds to “normal fault” and the second to “active fault”. An active fault can be of normal (in respect to its slip direction) character, while a normal fault doesn’t necessary mean it has to be active also. Confusing???? Link to post Share on other sites
gamera 0 Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 Hummm more like it all sounds Greek to me, tsondaboy I think you misunderstood something. I mean 'fault' for #1 danso like 活断層。 #2 sei like tsondaboy の'せい'で、電車に乗り遅れた。 - it's your fault Understood? Link to post Share on other sites
tsondaboy 0 Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 so it is せい for "blame". 了解 Link to post Share on other sites
veronica 2 Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 Yep, lets get outta here bong. Link to post Share on other sites
JellyBelly 1 Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 Have you taken a look at all those maps - they don't really make much sense to me. They all look the same, and there's no "key" to explain them. That website is seriously slow, I think I'll just give up. Link to post Share on other sites
peter01.com 0 Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 There is YET ANOTHER 'earthquake special' on tv tonight, channel 1 on my tv. Link to post Share on other sites
pjem 0 Posted March 27, 2005 Share Posted March 27, 2005 I saw that, was watching it here with some Japanese friends. Talk about creating as much fuss and sensationalism as possible! God, you wouldn't sleep for weeks if you took in all that info and read into what they were saying. How about all this fish doing strange behavior off the coast of Chiba these last few months, hey, Chibajins? Those earthquake cloud things are well spooky though, I'd freak out if I saw one that looked like that Niigata or Kobe one, those straight-up tornado like clouds. Link to post Share on other sites
pjem 0 Posted March 27, 2005 Share Posted March 27, 2005 Here's the Kobえ one, apparently taken just before the earthquake, centered on Kobe Can't find the Niigata one but it was well creepy. Link to post Share on other sites
TheOrange 0 Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Is that for real? And are these clouds thought to be actually a sign of an impending quake or not? That pic above if like you say is very strange. Link to post Share on other sites
r45 4 Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Found this in the depths of the web, I'm sure lots more can be found. Ancient Indians knew how to predict Earthquakes! Impossible? We know that our ancestors invented zero and that Sanskrit is the world's most scientific language but this seems to strain all limits of credulity. This is exactly what a California-based scholar of Chinese origin seems to be saying. Zhonghao Shou uses the concept of "earthquake clouds", to predict eartnquakes, a concept that has been described in the 32nd chapter of Varahamihira's Brihat Samhita. The philosopher, mathematician and astronomer Varahamihira (505-587 AD) was one of the Navaratnas in the court of King Vikramaditya Chandragupta II. His works, Pancha-Siddhantika (The Five Astronomical Canons) and Brihat Samhita (The Great Compilation), are considered seminal texts on ancient Indian astronomy and astrology. Today, S N Bhavsar, a Vedic scholar associated with the Physics Department at the Pune University, is drawing the scientific community's attention to the elaborate references to earthquakes, their causes and predictability in Brihat Samhita and drawing parallels with Zhou's research. The 32nd chapter of the manuscript is devoted to signs of earthquakes and correlates earthquakes with cosmic and planetary influences, underground water and undersea activities, unusual cloud formations, and the abnormal behaviour of animals. Over the last ten years, Zhonghao Shou, a retired chemist based near Caltech in California, has been using satellite imagery and other scientific tools to fine-tune his theory of "earthquake clouds" as precursors to earthquakes. Shou who is attracting scientific attention, but is yet to be accepted by the scientific community, says he has predicted 39 quakes since 1990. According to Shou, earthquake clouds are formed when underground water is converted into water vapour by the heat generated in the epicentric area of a fault rock, which is undergoing constant stress and friction. When this vapour escapes to the surface and rises through the atmosphere, it forms a cloud. The shape of the gap and surface current can lead to a special configuration like a snake, a wave, a feather, or a lantern, which is distinguishable from weather clouds. Zhou says that earthquake prediction is possible by identifying such clouds. According to him, an earthquake generally occurs within 7 weeks of the first appearance of such a cloud. Varahamihira, too, speaks of unusual cloud formations, a week before the occurrence of an earthquake. Varahamihira categorises earthquakes into different kinds and says that the indications of one particular kind will appear in the form of unusual cloud formations a week before its occurrence: "Its indications appearing a week before are the following: Huge clouds resembling blue lily, bees and collyrium in colour, rumbling pleasantly, and shining with flashes of lightning, will pour down slender lines of water resembling sharp clouds. An earthquake of this circle will kill those that are dependent on the seas and rivers; and it will lead to excessive rains." These observations are available in the English translation of the two-volume Brihat Samhita with the original Sanskrit texts, exhaustive notes and literary comments by M Ramakrishna Bhat. The book has been published by the Delhi-based Motilal Banarsidass Publishers. According to Bhavsar, it needs to be acknowledged that 1500 years ago a celebrated astronomer-astrologer-mathematician sought to study earthquakes on the Indian subcontinent. He drew correlations between terrestrial earth, the atmosphere and planetary influences. He described earth as a mass floating on water and spoke of unusual cloud formations and abnormal animal behaviour as precursors to earthquakes. Indeed there is much in Indian heritage that needs to be analyzed rather than dismissed blindly. At a time when scientists across the world are looking at traditional knowledge systems, it is time that we looked at our own too. Link to post Share on other sites
r45 4 Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 And: Ancients Observed "Peculiarly-Shaped Clouds" Before Earthquakes [Original headline: Another temblor from ancient Indian treasure trove?] PUNE: Ancient Indians invented zero. Sanskrit is the world's most 'scientific' language. Ayurveda experts claim they have cures for many diseases allopathy is still struggling to find answers for. Here is another one that should make people sit up and take notice of the wisdom of an old civilisation: predicting earthquakes. A model to predict earthquakes, developed by a California-based scholar of Chinese origin, uses the concept of "earthquake clouds", something that has been dealt with in detail in the 32nd chapter of Varahamihira's Brihat Samhita. The greatness of philosopher, mathematician and astronomer Varahamihira (505-587 AD) is widely acknowledged. The Ujjain-born scholar was one of the Navaratnas in the court of King Vikramaditya Chandragupta II. His works, Pancha-Siddhantika (The Five Astronomical Canons) and Brihat Samhita (The Great Compilation), are considered seminal texts on ancient Indian astronomy and astrology. Now, maybe it's time to look at his work more closely. S N Bhavsar, a Vedic scholar associated with the Physics Department at the Pune University, is drawing the scientific community's attention to the elaborate references to earthquakes, their causes and predictability in Brihat Samhita. What has astonished scientists and Vedic scholars here and has renewed interest in the Brihat Samhita, are references to unusual "earthquake clouds" as precursor to earthquakes. The 32nd chapter of the manuscript is devoted to signs of earthquakes and correlates earthquakes with cosmic and planetary influences, underground water and undersea activities, unusual cloud formations, and the abnormal behaviour of animals. "I find it rather odd that the description of earthquake clouds in Brihat Samhita matches the observations made by Zhonghao Shaou at the Earthquake Prediction Centre in Pasadena, California," said B D Kulkarni, head of the National Chemical Laboratory's Chemical Engineering Division. Over the last ten years, Zhonghao Shou, a retired chemist based near Caltech in California, has been using satellite imagery and other scientific tools to fine-tune his theory of "earthquake clouds" as precursors to earthquakes. Shou who is attracting scientific attention, but is yet to be accepted by the scientific community, says he has predicted 39 quakes since 1990. Shou has a website (http://members.nbci.com/EQPrediction) and says that ancient Chinese and Italians also tried to predict earthquakes on the basis of peculiarly-shaped clouds. According to Shou, earthquake clouds are formed when underground water is converted into water vapour by the heat generated in the epicentric area of a fault rock, which is undergoing constant stress and friction. When this vapour escapes to the surface and rises through the atmosphere, it forms a cloud. "The shape of the gap and surface current may endow the cloud with a special configuration like a snake, a wave, a feather, or a lantern, which will be able to be distinguished from weather clouds," says Zhou. Zhou says that earthquake prediction is possible by identifying such clouds as "an earthquake generally occurs within 49 days of the first appearance of the cloud". As Bhavsar pointed out, Varahamihira, too, speaks of unusual cloud formations, a week before the occurrence of an earthquake. Varahamihira categorises earthquakes into different kinds and says that the indications of one particular kind will appear in the form of unusual cloud formations a week before its occurrence: "Its indications appearing a week before are the following: Huge clouds resembling blue lily, bees and collyrium in colour, rumbling pleasantly, and shining with flashes of lightning, will pour down slender lines of water resembling sharp clouds. An earthquake of this circle will kill those that are dependent on the seas and rivers; and it will lead to excessive rains." These observations are available in the English translation of the two-volume Brihat Samhita with the original Sanskrit texts, exhaustive notes and literary comments by M Ramakrishna Bhat. The book has been published by the Delhi-based Motilal Banarsidass Publishers. "Please do not treat these observations as gibberish and trash it as some Indian scientists are prone to do," Bhavsar urged. He said it was painful to Vedic scholars when ancient Indian knowledge was discarded as nonsense by some. "What needs to be acknowledged," he said, "is that 1500 years ago a celebrated astronomer-astrologer-mathematician sought to study earthquakes on the Indian subcontinent. He drew correlations between terrestrial earth, the atmosphere and planetary influences. He described earth as a mass floating on water and spoke of unusual cloud formations and abnormal animal behaviour as precursors to earthquakes." "All in all, this should be accepted as nothing but astounding." Link to post Share on other sites
grungy-gonads 54 Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 P'Jem Is that photo real? Whoah, if I saw something like that I think I'd run. Not sure where to, but I'd run somewhere. Link to post Share on other sites
BagOfCrisps 24 Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 I often think about Japan and living there (fool I may be), but I'm not sure I'd be too happy living somewhere that wobbles violently or could wobble violently at any time, anywhere. A good thing about England - it doesn't wobble. Link to post Share on other sites
gamera 0 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Wobble - today's new word for me Link to post Share on other sites
2pints-mate 0 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Wobble is a good word, gamera. (Just don't want your house to do it!) Link to post Share on other sites
magikcow 0 Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 what link do I need to click on, I can't seem to find it Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites
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