nagoid 4 Posted February 4, 2002 Share Posted February 4, 2002 Just out of interest, and after reading the very readable debate on backcountry (see double standards thread), I have a question to the people who say that much more of this ungroomed paradise should be opened up. Here goes! If these ungroomed paradises were opened up, then wouldn't they lose all of their appeal with hundreds of boarders and skiers running over them time and time again, damaging the untouched quality? Anyone? Link to post Share on other sites
danz 0 Posted February 4, 2002 Share Posted February 4, 2002 i think one of the points here is to make these ropped off areas accessible...that means safe...that means having ski patrol doing the necessary maintanance (avalanche control etc...)...of course weather or not they are even competent to do that is an entirely seperate thread.... yes, of course if its ropped that means more powder for you...but what about the one time you duck a rope and get injured...that is where the problem starts... man, resorts out in canada and US have huge bowl/gladed ski terrain that is well maintained...it doesn't get tracked as fast as you think because its SO FRICKIN' HUGE... if resorts here thought the same way, it would be much better... peace, danz ------------------ pray for snow Link to post Share on other sites
nagoid 4 Posted February 4, 2002 Author Share Posted February 4, 2002 Well, in the case of you ducking ropes when you shouldnt - isnt that your responsibility, as the resort has said this is an out of bounds area. You just doing what the hell you want with no respect for the rules, whatever they are. (Not a personal dig, danz, just wanting to understand this a bit more- it seems so simple to me) Am I missing something???? Link to post Share on other sites
mogski 0 Posted February 5, 2002 Share Posted February 5, 2002 Are you missing something? I think the best way to answer that is go to Japanese resort and take a look at the roped off areas. I think you will find that if you spread the people you see on the resorts out on the whole mountain(if it were accesible) there really wouldn't be that many. It just seems alot becasue they all have no choice but to ge where everybody else does. I think one of points of the "double standards" thread is not that we want first tracks in all powder, it is we want to have the chance to have this and have it without being criminalised for it. Sure plenty of peole will go, but like I said in the other thread, it would then be our fault for not getting out of bed early enough or wanting it enough. At least the chance is there for. Link to post Share on other sites
miteyak 0 Posted February 5, 2002 Share Posted February 5, 2002 personally, I think most resorts do little to stop rope ducking, just boycott the ones that do, should leave you smiling. Link to post Share on other sites
montoya 0 Posted February 5, 2002 Share Posted February 5, 2002 Quote: Originally posted by miteyak: just boycott the ones that do, should leave you smiling. I think alot of us already do just that. But instead of just voting with your yen, why not become vocal as well? Consumer power, dude... Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 5, 2002 Share Posted February 5, 2002 If you opened it up, it would become popular. You know what the Japanese are like with their fashions and fads. Then you would complain about that,wouldn't you? Link to post Share on other sites
danz 0 Posted February 5, 2002 Share Posted February 5, 2002 are you kidding... if more terrain was open with appropriate warnings, a la "EXPERT ONLY", it would not become crowded...japanese are , not meant to stereotype, but in general are very "safe"...or rather overprecautious... i.e. snow tires/chains are "required" if you drive to the mountain... you "must" go to the hospital if you have a stomach ache its too dangerous to set your binding dins past 6... the list goes on... the "fashionability" of skiing/boarding is limited to the curry rice lines, and the long flat gelandes... i say cut the ropes and become responsible ski resorts... my .02 danz Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 5, 2002 Share Posted February 5, 2002 OK so using this line of logic, we have signs that say EXPERT ONLY all over the place. And - in just the same way that you duck ropes now when you shouldn't and go into "no go" areas - people will ignore them and go for it anyway. Voila - problem remains. Can't have it both ways. Link to post Share on other sites
danz 0 Posted February 5, 2002 Share Posted February 5, 2002 ameboll i'm just curious... have you ever skied in canada or western US...places like whistler blackcomb, jackson hole, aspen highlands, tahoe.... the stuff i'm talking about is modeled after how these resorts do stuff...and it works! i don't care how "trendy" things are in japan...basically, i am talking about diversifying the resorts here in japan... danz Link to post Share on other sites
montoya 0 Posted February 5, 2002 Share Posted February 5, 2002 Hey SJG, here's an idea for an article - how about some interviews with some of the local Yuzawa resort management to see what their thoughts are? Looking at the latest tourist numbers, it seems each year they're seeing less and less visitors. They've gotta be concerned about reversing the trend, right? And maybe improving their resorts (off-piste access, etc etc) might be _part_ of the answer. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 I think it would yeah. As much as I like to go there myself, want to keep it unknown! Link to post Share on other sites
riddles 0 Posted February 8, 2002 Share Posted February 8, 2002 It sure would if you ask me - let's keep it the way it is and only go to the resorts that do not have nazi patrol people chasing you up. Link to post Share on other sites
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