klingon 10 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Just an example: Hakuba 47 今日はドピーカンと粉雪で最高のコンディションでした。明日は…。ちょっと新雪が欲しいところです！ Was it really 'saiko' (the best) conditions yesterday? I'm guessing that in reality conditions could be considerably better than they were. If it were, why would they be wanting/needing new snow tomorrow? Tired of reading skijo post 最高のコンディション when it blatantly is not. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 There's a few places round here claiming the same. Er,....no. I would prefer to hear the truth not a bunch of lies. Or at least just refrain from comments if they can't help the bullshit. I have heard that one or two skijo took down their webcams ---> the reason being they didn't want to show rain/poor conditions. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Truth......I'm spending good money on going there and I want particular conditions Link to post Share on other sites
stemik 14 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 of course we all would like the ski jo to tell us as it is but.... I was out with a couple of Japanese friends yesterday and both of them commented and used the word "saiko" I can only assume it was because of the bluebird day, cold conditions and great groomers. Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 At a stretch, that's saiko kimochi not saiko conditions like Hakuba 47 said. They said the best conditions. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 TBF the weather at Teine was saiko yesterday......deep blue skies and no clouds for most of the day.....snow was tracked but still nice n light in the trees. However I would say the previous day's conditions were much better when it was dumping all day...no beautiful views but little wind, visibility was ok and really light snow continuously falling Link to post Share on other sites
stemik 14 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 At a stretch, that's saiko kimochi not saiko conditions like Hakuba 47 said. They said the best conditions. I'll see my friends later and ask what they meant. Link to post Share on other sites
634-maru 4 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 粉雪 too. Cool, wish I had been there yesterday! Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 So, stemik, the 'powder snow' yesterday - was it anything like 'the best conditions'? Have you ever experienced snow as good as that in Hakuba? Link to post Share on other sites
best skier in hakuba 5 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 It was of course nothing like 'best conditions'. And to bend words to try and make it out like it was is, well... Nice groomers and great sunny weather, but I'm guessing that most people come here for the snow in winter, not the sun. Link to post Share on other sites
PowderBum 0 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 This is something my wife and I joke about a lot--- I have to say that the Hakuba report and the Hakuba twitter feeds tend to exaggerate. Considering many people might plan an expensive day or days out, it's simply not a good thing to do. Paraphrasing from last year's Hakuba twitter feed: "get ready for the greatest day of your lives" and "officially puking" --- amounted to now more than 10cm in the village. It just makes me not trust them even when they do have it right. Link to post Share on other sites
SnowJapan Admin SnowJapan 178 Posted February 13, 2014 SnowJapan Admin Share Posted February 13, 2014 Just to be clear, PowderBum does not mean our Hakuba Now report - you won't see comments like that on there. Unfortunately, there's a ton of blatant lying that goes on. Some people simply can't seem to help it when money/their business is involved. It is annoying. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I gave a chuckle pity on Tuesday when reading Rusutsu's Facebook page saying to bring ur sunglasses and sun cream for awesome views and top groomers when we were under falling snow and powder turns all day at Teine Link to post Share on other sites
stemik 14 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 So, stemik, the 'powder snow' yesterday - was it anything like 'the best conditions'? Have you ever experienced snow as good as that in Hakuba? no of course not, and I didnt say it was "the best conditions" I was just emphasizing the word "saiko" what my friends used yesterday. Link to post Share on other sites
grungy-gonads 54 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Hakuba 47 said it was the best conditions. Link to post Share on other sites
gozaimaas 61 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 We get it all the time in australia. I guess its a new thing to you guys lucky enough to live in japan. Link to post Share on other sites
stemik 14 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Hakuba 47 said it was the best conditions. Like Muika said it was probably "saiko kimochi". They did seem to shout it after every run! Link to post Share on other sites
pie-eater 207 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 詐欺 Link to post Share on other sites
SKI 15 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I don't think anyone expects them to come out and say conditions are absolutely terrible - even if they are, though it would be nice - but if they aren't for making any kind of comment that might put people off going to perhaps just not make stuff up. People are entitled to be angry at that. Interestingly, whenever I have read the 47 site in the past they seem to have been fairly up front about stuff like rain etc, so I'm not sure they are a good example of a skijo that is always peddling crap. Link to post Share on other sites
Thundercat 60 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I find that most of the outright lies about conditions don't come from the resorts themselves (usually at least!). It tends to be the over-zealous secondary businesses like hotels, guides and such... Sucks when that happens! Link to post Share on other sites
NoFakie 45 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Perhaps you are just taking things too literally. Japanese people say "saiaku/saiyaku" at the slightest thing, so I doubt they mean "the worst" as English speakers understand it. A delay of an hour or two on the way home is not going to be the "worst" journey ever. The same goes for "saiko". Most saiko things aren't the best. They're just good enough to be enthusiastic about. Staying with Hakuba, but Hakuba is a "mura" because a "mura" is a locality of a certain size according to Japanese local government rules. The same rules say Omachi is a "city". You can call Hakuba a "village" if you like, but that's only because its possibly the least worst word in English. It's a strange English word to use for a place with 10,000 people, three supermarkets, and about ten medical clinics. Just as Omachi with its 30,000 people isn't much of a "city". Link to post Share on other sites
seemore 66 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I gave a chuckle pity on Tuesday when reading Rusutsu's Facebook page saying to bring ur sunglasses and sun cream for awesome views and top groomers when we were under falling snow and powder turns all day at Teine It was true wasn't laughing though still a great day Link to post Share on other sites
best skier in hakuba 5 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Perhaps you are just taking things too literally. Japanese people say "saiaku/saiyaku" at the slightest thing, so I doubt they mean "the worst" as English speakers understand it. A delay of an hour or two on the way home is not going to be the "worst" journey ever. The same goes for "saiko". Most saiko things aren't the best. They're just good enough to be enthusiastic about. No, I don't think so. I understand Japanese well enough to know that when people call something 'saiko', it may not always mean 'the absolute best', but at the same time it certainly does not mean distinctly average to poor. It implies really good, very good, etc. On the simple scale from saiko to saiyaku, I would even say that some people will currently say that conditions are closer to saiyaku than they are to saiko (* though I'm not saying they are). Taking the instance in the original post. The guys who stemik went with may well have said that after their runs, the weather conditions being great yesterday, etc. At the slightest thing, as you say. But they are not the skijo telling their audience (customers) about snow conditions to expect when they visit and pay their yen. 47 said powder snow and saiko conditions. By any stretch of the imagination, that is misleading. If what we have now is 'saiko', what is it when we have 40cm fresh up there? Link to post Share on other sites
gvm3373 4 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 The snow reports are posted by the sales/marketing division of the ski jo so they don't have any choice but to put a positive spin on conditions. At my winter job the running joke is that sales/marketing hsn (height new snow) measure is always 25 cm higher than the official measure in the study plots. Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I reckon lying / spinning a yarn to your audience is not a great trick to use. Then again I'm no big business man or marketeer, (thank god!) Link to post Share on other sites
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