iiyamadude 6 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Always find it curious how some lifts have safety bars and some don't. At the same skijo. And on the ones that do have safety, they go on and on about using them as if it's a must with signs and announcements. If so, why are there none on that lift over there?! Link to post Share on other sites
Thundercat 60 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 It's because some lifts are detachable and others aren't. Detachable lifts have to have safety bars on them. Link to post Share on other sites
tokabochi 9 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 What's the reasoning behind that? Link to post Share on other sites
Thundercat 60 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Not sure but I guess it's because there is a slight chance that the chair could slip along the wire while in motion is it's not properly maintained. Bit of speculation there though. Link to post Share on other sites
Alexander L 80 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I've noticed that the no bars ones are slower and those with bars. Link to post Share on other sites
Slippery Jim 65 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Detachable quads at Alta have no safety bars, so it's not a necessity. Link to post Share on other sites
Alexander L 80 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 The ones without bars should be able to go faster, less weight. Link to post Share on other sites
anything 6 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 i think its just a decision by the resort when purchasing the lift. perhaps im boring, but i think itd be interesting to witness the whole a-z of getting a lift some time. the speed of fixed lifts is determined by how fast they thought people could survive getting smacked in the legs, and afaik it hasn't changed since. detachable speeds vary, but are at least 2.5x the speed of fixed grip lifts. so if one of them stopped in a big hurry having a safety bar might save some people from falling out. but imo its mostly about kids and those afraid of heights. i usually dont use the bar, and have been on plenty of lifts that stop quickly and not even close to even thinking that i might fall. I also sit nearer to the edge of the seat because i keep my backpack on. i feel many more feelings than to do with safety when people smack me in the head when they have the need to lower the bar before the chair has even left the seating area. Not sure but I guess it's because there is a slight chance that the chair could slip along the wire while in motion is it's not properly maintained. Bit of speculation there though. i think i read somewhere that the detachable clamp puts an order of several tons of grip on the cable, and is quite a bit more than with a fixed system. fixed grip cant be so tight that they might damage the cable too much during the season. they have to be manually moved each year so they dont wear out a single point over the lifetime too. next time on a fixed chair you should look up, you can often see the spots, and you can usually gauge the age of each spot (and thus the cable) by how its faded. the random nature of detachable means they dont damage a single point over the year, and so can go tighter. The ones without bars should be able to go faster, less weight. whatever weight (in the chairs) going up is also coming down. but i guess theres more resistance on the rollers tho. the fact that you can still hear the variable speed drive at the operational speed (you would describe this as a constant beep sound at slow speeds, a hum at higher) suggests to me that most lifts have a lot more guts to go faster than they're permitted. Link to post Share on other sites
Alexander L 80 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 but you're not supposed to let the plank cut you lower shin off. Put a hand there to grab it. Hooded ones are cool. Nice warmup instead of biting freezing wind. Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I dislike hooded ones. Top tip - just go out when the weather is good. Link to post Share on other sites
merryJim 1 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 They're a pain when they come down on a clear day. But good if you are stuck in blizzard conditions! Link to post Share on other sites
jacko 3 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Ala Max Smart we have always called the hooded chairs the "cone of silence". Cant say I'm a fan of riding them with my 10 year step son as loves to drop sbd's (silent but deadlys) and gas everyone out! Link to post Share on other sites
634-maru 4 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 don't the ski Jo able to set it so it doesn't come down on a fine day? Link to post Share on other sites
Alexander L 80 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 I dislike hooded ones. Top tip - just go out when the weather is good. not an option for us flying in to the love resort. Link to post Share on other sites
Alexander L 80 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Ala Max Smart we have always called the hooded chairs the "cone of silence". Cant say I'm a fan of riding them with my 10 year step son as loves to drop sbd's (silent but deadlys) and gas everyone out! you want to talk to that dude. Link to post Share on other sites
snowdude 44 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Must say I was not so keen on the hooded lifts at Madarao last year especially as they were scratched and frozen up I couldnt see sod all out of them. But good for keeping you warm during a blizzard of course. Link to post Share on other sites
Alexander L 80 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 many blizzards at Madarao? Link to post Share on other sites
@tokyo 14 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Has been known. Link to post Share on other sites
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