peaker 0 Posted January 18, 2003 Share Posted January 18, 2003 I wouldnt say offensive is fair ocean but I dont mind winding you up a bit. Its just that I cant take your posts seriously. You always get on here and carry on about how you know better than ski patrol and try to justify totally ignoring the guidelines but at the same time you admit to knowing very little about mountain safety. Im happy to hear you are now interested in reading up a bit. Ski patrol are also very helpful Ive found. Try going into the office with a proper map and asking where they recommend. I know youll say you dont want to hike blah blah blah but if you want to ride in someones resort you have to follow their rules. I realise its quite possible to ride under chairs but there is a time and a place for that. Taking the attidude that you know best and nobady has a right to tell you otherwise will get you what you deserve which is a firm boot up the rear end. by the way I dont wear underwear dude. Link to post Share on other sites
denise 0 Posted January 18, 2003 Share Posted January 18, 2003 Well said Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted January 18, 2003 Share Posted January 18, 2003 Deep probe I will go thee tomorrow you want to hook up? Can show you some spots. Link to post Share on other sites
barok 0 Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 i`ve also found patrol to be helpful - they like to help each other hit gaijin who don`t co-operate. and to think that i thought they were there for yer safety . . . Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean11 0 Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 Had a great day under the lifts and gondolas at Nozawa today - some of the very best terrain and snow is there. 6 of us did one lift run 5 or 6 times and it was still good on the last run. Lifties didn't seem to mind. peaker, not being of a sycophantic disposition, I don't feel the need to go creeping up to what are basically peons. When the snitty snotty, officious patrol perform some useful service, then I'll have some respect for them. And no, as usual you're wrong, I find I don't generally have to follow the rules, as they change all the time and are not enforced. What if I try going into the patrol office without a proper map and asking where I can ride that has nice steeps, trees, gulleys, and deep powder, say at 47? I wonder how it would go... And peaker, I have admitted I know very little about mountain safety. How about you easing up a little on that essentially boring subject and admitting that your friends in patrol actually contribute very little in that way? Link to post Share on other sites
canad ian 0 Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 Japan has a governing body for aerial lift and tramways that stipulates a fairly low maximum height for the towers and ropeway. I think it is just a part of the Japanese lift code that no recreation shall occur under the line, as I've never seen it allowed. Other countries such as Candada and the States have different code so riding underneath is ok if you don't mind the audience and that's why you don't look down when you're on the Granite chair at Red Mtn. B.C. Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean11 0 Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 Go to Happo and you'll see loads of groomed courses that have lifts running right through the middle of them with no barriers. Ditto many other resorts. Link to post Share on other sites
Davo 1 Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 Ocean 11-mountain safety is not a boring subject for me. Seems like you enjoy riding in terrain that is uncontrolled and potentially dangerous so you'd be best to take fattwins advice and bone-up on the facts, he knows what he's talking about. Patrol may be an overzealous pain in the arse and can overeact to the point of assaulting people etc, but that doesn't mean they're all wrong all of the time. Slides happen and people die-often because those people lack the proper awareness and are out of their depth. I had to take a mountain safety course to wake up to that one. What you assume is safe may not be. If considering that makes me boring then I'm happy to be boring instead of dead. Link to post Share on other sites
OUfreeski2 0 Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 Well said Davo. Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean11 0 Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 You people are hopeless at reading comprehension aren't you? I show an interest in mountain safety in one post, asking Fattwins about books, and in another I say it's boring. Now, what could you deduce from that? That I'm not interested at all? Or that while it's not exactly my main interest in life, I think it's probably necessary to know something about the subject? Especially as patrol are more interested in playing tough bobby rather than lolly-pop man. Duh... Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted January 21, 2003 Share Posted January 21, 2003 Ocean keeping riding and and improving. To do that means to push yourself. I ski, and will ski a lot of the same stuff that you do. Before you jump in know or think "what am I getting into". Inside the resort think -How much new snow during or just after a storm? - Wind was there wind? - From top to bottom do I know 100% what to expect on this run. Meaning slow down if you dont. -how much do people ski here. The more tracks laid down, time after time bonds the snow. big storm excempted. -If it breaks how many cms deep will it break off, can I handle that. -remember that warmer snow is heavier, so 20 cms of heavy is pretty dangerous. " Cortina on that day, boot deep and heavy, you would not want to be in the OB that day. Out of resort bounds, in those conditions mean "get out of the mountains". -Who are you sking with. -In the trees stay together or know where people went. -In real open stuff keep it space out, 1 at a time. First person cuts ,it second person does not cut on top of the first, waits till the first is a in a safe zone. -Wear gear if you ski outside of ropes! Link to post Share on other sites
Ocean11 0 Posted January 21, 2003 Share Posted January 21, 2003 That day at Cortina was pretty heavy and there were some bits sliding down - but they all stopped after a short distance (being so heavy and wet). Also we had seen (from a lift) patrol trying to start their avvie in a much steeper gully but with no success, so we figured where we were riding was OK being not so steep or so exposed. It's not that I don't keep my eyes open. So on that day, you didn't venture off the piste Fattwins? I'm curious... Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted January 21, 2003 Share Posted January 21, 2003 Off piste really means Back Country. Really in those conditions if your climbing or sking it means get out. I dont mean inbounds roped off terrain. I consider that inbounds but closed. Be careful at Cortina some areas are slide paths. Look before you leap. I just want to hammer mountain knowledge. This year many people on this site are giving away too much. That meaning, some of the places we are talking about really, are not for begginers or mid levels. Also some of it is down right exposed to danger, being that its not controled. So please dont say just duck under the rope you need to give it more thought. Link to post Share on other sites
SKI 15 Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 Agreed on that. Link to post Share on other sites
dale#1 1 Posted January 23, 2003 Share Posted January 23, 2003 Quote: Go to Happo and you'll see loads of groomed courses that have lifts running right through the middle of them with no barriers. Ditto many other resorts. I think you'll find that those lifts at Happo are within certain height regulations and are of a certain height and "made for" skiing under. Link to post Share on other sites
DeepProbe 0 Posted January 24, 2003 Author Share Posted January 24, 2003 Sorry I havent been back for a few days. I'll be off again to Dynaland tomorrow or Sunday so I'll make note of where it was. Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Go on sunday and we can meet you there. Also same with anyone else going up. Link to post Share on other sites
neversummer 0 Posted January 27, 2003 Share Posted January 27, 2003 Hey fattwins, which areas are you talking about @ Cortina? heading there in early feb but would like to have some info like that before hand. cheers man Link to post Share on other sites
Fattwins 0 Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 Want to help but email me direct. Link to post Share on other sites
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