sanjo 2 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 People don't read info. Link to post Share on other sites
ippy 66 Posted December 13, 2012 Author Share Posted December 13, 2012 I'm with rider69 on this one. More information doesn't mean better information. There's no shortcut to good BC knowledge, and an Internet forum isn't the place to get it That being said, I think a thread telling people where absolutely not to go would be useful. Explore the rest safely as you would in a BC setting. Maybe the word side country is the culprit here. In that spirit, I have this to contribute from personal experience. If you hike to the top of Mae-Yama from Akakan, don't drop off skiers left. It was a massive ordeal to get out miles away at Tsubame onsen, complete with sketchy snow bridges over a pretty big river. Never again This rings a nice balance. Its close to what BM was saying earlier. I would love for either of you to start said thread but i have a feeling itll be hit with the exact same issues that plagued this one to be honest Link to post Share on other sites
Alexander L 80 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I'm on the fence here. If people read this stuff and decide they are well equipped for the adventure, then lets party. If they become a cropper, then great, their gene pool needed cleaning anyway. Keep it short. People who go into the unknown believing in just a few (or way too many) sentences on a forum deserve their Darwin Award. Link to post Share on other sites
Mick Rich 78 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Flipping 'eck - I've been away from the forum for a few days and look what I've missed!! I don't think there are any easier answers but given the dangers involved (to punters and ski patrol alike), I think it's better to be discussed than not, and this seems as good a place as any. Link to post Share on other sites
seemore 66 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 well done Ippy I think you have created a monster please summarise I can't read all this Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 His "summary" will be Longer than the thread!! Link to post Share on other sites
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ippy 66 Posted December 13, 2012 Author Share Posted December 13, 2012 Summary: my casual tone put peoples backs up. Maybe rightly. Ill be more contrite with the passage of the years... possibly (probably not though). But i think the one good thing to come from this thread is that the extreme positions held by myself and my interlocutors has created a reasonable space for compromise down the line. Its positive that we can look for a more sensible and grown up position/discussion on this whole issue at a later date (and in another thread). Its probably not going to be carried out and instigated by me though because im a kid that just loves mischief. Plus i think :typing: :typing: :typing: :typing: :typing: :typing: is funny : ) Link to post Share on other sites
Slippery Jim 65 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I don't really want to get back into this, but a thread that said, btw, xxxxx is VERy dangerous... would be a completely different animal than a thread that says, you can get away with this. Link to post Share on other sites
ippy 66 Posted December 13, 2012 Author Share Posted December 13, 2012 ill happily concede the point. Link to post Share on other sites
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Mick Rich 78 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 ill happily concede the point. :omg: Could that possibly be the shortest ippy post on record??? Btw ipster, I have two 3,000 word assignments to hand in by the end of Jan so would be interested to know your charging rates? Link to post Share on other sites
pie-eater 207 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Anyone got the lowdown on Mt Granview in this respect? Link to post Share on other sites
seemore 66 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I believe they have a very strict policy on robe duckers allthough I have heard the snow patrol are aging and not likely to catch you Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Robe ducking is all the rage.....cos everyone knows to be gnarly, you gotta be naked!! Duck that Robe, yo!! Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmer 2 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Even here in Niseko, there are some completely pointless ropes, I'd say the patrol here is much more cautious than other resorts around the world. Really hope that someday someone buys Tokyu out and makes Haro no taki skiable. That said, as I get my pass through work, if I got caught ducking ropes, I would lose my job, so I don't duck, even if i think their rules are stupid/overly cautious. Link to post Share on other sites
ippy 66 Posted December 14, 2012 Author Share Posted December 14, 2012 ill happily concede the point. :omg: Could that possibly be the shortest ippy post on record??? Btw ipster, I have two 3,000 word assignments to hand in by the end of Jan so would be interested to know your charging rates? Charge? Whats this charging business, i do peoples homework because i love the subject. if its a philosophy essay on levinas or buber or some aspect of marxism, count me in. I love my political philosophy. If its anything that requires facts, figures and data then you can blow it out your heiney Link to post Share on other sites
Alexander L 80 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 talk about doing mankind some good, pity those dudes got busted before they snuffed Beiber. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 British student fighting for life after Chamonix snowboard accident A British student is fighting for her life in hospital after a snowboarding accident in France. Mimi Watts, 26, is on life support after falling headfirst into a snowdrift just metres off a red run in Chamonix on Saturday – the opening day of the ski season. She lay there for around 45 minutes before rescue services arrived and had suffered cardiac arrest. Emergency services confirmed the accident occurred just after 4pm in the Grands Montets, the largest posted skiing area in the Chamonix Valley. The design student from Suffolk was heliported to hospital in nearby Annecy, before being transferred to a specialist unit. Today, Miss Watts's family – her parents Nicky and Dominic, and brother Rory – were heading to France to be at her bedside. Her aunt Shona Pollock said: "It is awful. Mimi was so full of life. She loved the mountains and snowboarding. She was completely and utterly her own person and this is just so tragic." Miss Watts had moved to Chamonix two weeks ago to find work before the new ski season and was an experienced snowboarder. She had texted her mother the day before the accident to say she had found a job and was "very happy". Miss Watts went to a convent school in Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, before studying costume design at Sussex University. Her father is a farmer and her mother an accountant. Miss Pollock, who runs a catering company in Barnes, south west London, said: "Mimi was on the side of the piste doing little jumps when she dropped into a snowfall." She had been snowboarding alone down the Pierre à Pic, a red run that takes skiers back to the hamlet of Argentière at the foot of the domain. "She went just a couple of metres off-piste in an area dotted with small bushes and fell down a 1.5m 'hole' created by snow ploughs," said a source close to the emergency services. "She fell head first into thick snow and was knocked unconscious." "She had already been in cardiac arrest for dozens of minutes by the time rescue services reached the scene," he said. Authorities said weather conditions had been good. It is understood that Watts, who was said to be an experienced snowboarder, had only been in France for a few weeks before the accident occurred. Spokesmen for the local hospitals were unavailable for comment. Les Grand Montets is situated above Argentière and measures more than 1800 hectares in size. Popular with British tourists, experts say it offers some of the hardest pistes in Europe. Miss Pollock said French police only managed to notify the family a day after the accident as Mimi was not wearing any identification when she fell. She added: "Mimi had a huge passion for life. She loved animals and used to race Shetland ponies. It is so sad." A 35-year old French skier was found dead on Saturday night hundred metres off the pistes of the La Clusaz resort in Haute-Savoie after hitting a tree. His wife reported his disappearance at around 8pm. Police located his body he five hours later under 1.5m of snow via a GPS signal from his mobile phone. A local ski expert said: "There is always a risk when skiing off piste, even a few metres from the slopes, particularly at high speed." Link to post Share on other sites
@tokyo 14 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 She died didn't she? Link to post Share on other sites
seemore 66 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Not yet but he did seemore Link to post Share on other sites
RobBright 35 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Not yet but he did seemore She died two days ago. Link to post Share on other sites
seemore 66 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I think that story alone highlights the dangers how many times have we skied boarded over something dangerous and not known about it. Very unlucky Link to post Share on other sites
Karnidge 2 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 ...and perhaps why people should believe and accept the "danger" signs. Link to post Share on other sites
ippy 66 Posted December 16, 2012 Author Share Posted December 16, 2012 People recognise the dangers dude. All this does is help reinforce the idea that slack country is extremely dangerous and shouldn't be treat lightly. But everyone knows this already. The two people who died in niigata last year from being up-ended and nothing else should alert people to just the kind of absurd ways god wants you dead. If you go under a rope or into any ungroomed terrain you are chancing it. Don't think this means on piste is super safe either. You factor the risks in the conditions on that day and ride appropriately. Incidentally, if you do want to take one lesson from this its to ride with someone if you do duck a rope and never ride out of visual range... four or five turns each should about do it. Eta: before I get shouted at, this doesn't make you safe. It just means you're more safe than you are riding on your own. Depending on the area and conditions you might be going from unsafe to dangerously life threateningly unsafe. Link to post Share on other sites
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