muikabochi 208 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Ever noticed anything like this? At a skijo. Some of the lifts have safety bars, and they have all those announcements as you get on the lift to encourage you to use them for your safety - and the lift dudes even ask you to put them down. Then you get on the next lift, just 50m away at the same ski resort, and there isn't even a safety bar on the lift. And this lift seems potentially much more dangerous as it's actually 'going down' in parts. The one yesterday at Joetsu Kokusai does anyway. What, my safety not important on this lift? Seems so inconsistent. Are there no regulations re: safety bars? Link to post Share on other sites
Thundercat 60 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Regulations in Japan?? I'm pretty sure they only ever make 'recommendations'. I have noticed this at quite a few places. There may be an assumption that people riding lifts to advanced runs are more experienced lift riders and don't need the bars... It is strange though! Link to post Share on other sites
yamabushi 3 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 This is Japan. If the bars are there you should use them because they went to the effort of putting them there for you. If they are not, act like even the concept of a safety bar doesn't exist. Link to post Share on other sites
provide 3 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Heh I noticed this too, safety bar on the banzai chairlift at niseko village which is pretty short and pretty tame then you get up the wonderland single chair at the very top and you're swinging in the wind with no bar. I just held on tighter and hoped for the best Link to post Share on other sites
Chriselle 158 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Haha...Yes, I've mused and chuckled over this very topic on many an occasion. Funny isn't it. Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share Posted February 17, 2012 The thing that really got me was how on one lift I was being warned constantly about the bar and then the next, far more dangerous, one there wasn't one. Logic doesn't come into it hey?! Link to post Share on other sites
Chriselle 158 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Haha....like at Happo. Take the Sakka quad and they can be pushy about the safety bar. That quad connects up with the Skyline pair which swings in the wind with no safety bar. No logic at all. I really hate it when the lift has a safety bar and the people riding with you have such a hard-on to get that bar down ASAP....I feel like screaming ...JUST ****ing RELAX!! Link to post Share on other sites
snowdude 44 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Same with the resorts around here, some of the lifts have safety bars some don't at the same resort. Does seem strange, but that seems to be the way things are here! Link to post Share on other sites
stemik 14 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 The rules state if detachable chair lift then a safety bar is required. If not detachable then no need to have one. Link to post Share on other sites
kkk 7 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 What difference does detachable or non detachable make? Link to post Share on other sites
snowdude 44 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 So if the chairs detach, you will still be able to stay in your chair while it goes flying through the air, before crashing to the ground!!!! That is nice and reassuring! LOL! Link to post Share on other sites
Jynxx 4 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 drama Link to post Share on other sites
HelperElfMissy 42 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 What difference does detachable or non detachable make? Detachable lifts run faster Let me elaborate. Ever had that *Sweet Jesus that chair almost cut me off at the knees, swoop like pick up*? Thats a non detachable or fixed lift. It goes up the mountain at the same speed that it picks you up and drops you off. However the nice slow quad that collects you demurely but rockets you up the mountain - that is detachable. It detaches from the high speed cables at pick up and drop off and just runs on the slower speed, then reattaches afterwards. Because it runs fast. It needs a safety bar. And it is best practice now since they have been constructing them. Link to post Share on other sites
HelperElfMissy 42 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Haha....like at Happo. Take the Sakka quad and they can be pushy about the safety bar. That quad connects up with the Skyline pair which swings in the wind with no safety bar. No logic at all. I really hate it when the lift has a safety bar and the people riding with you have such a hard-on to get that bar down ASAP....I feel like screaming ...JUST ****ing RELAX!! Said it before. Will say it again. My favourite part about wearing a helmet is all the head eggs I DONT have when some moron donks the safety bar on while people are still loading. Link to post Share on other sites
MagSeven 40 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Haha....like at Happo. Take the Sakka quad and they can be pushy about the safety bar. That quad connects up with the Skyline pair which swings in the wind with no safety bar. No logic at all. I really hate it when the lift has a safety bar and the people riding with you have such a hard-on to get that bar down ASAP....I feel like screaming ...JUST ****ing RELAX!! Said it before. Will say it again. My favourite part about wearing a helmet is all the head eggs I DONT have when some moron donks the safety bar on while people are still loading. Your head's 50% bigger with a helmet on. You get donked on the helmet because of the helmet I reckon. Link to post Share on other sites
surfarthur 22 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Even worse when you stick a gopro on top! Link to post Share on other sites
surfarthur 22 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 but having said that, people often don't give you enough time to get properly seated before they are pulling the bar down, if you are still leaning forward, it will hit you in the head. I like it when people say "bar" right before they pull it down, that at least gives you a chance. Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share Posted February 17, 2012 Ski where I ski, and you never need to even share a lift! Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 yeah, cos you ski in the Resorts that Time Forgot!!! Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share Posted February 17, 2012 Not always. Joetsu Kokusai, Maiko, Iwappara, Ishiuchi, Gala, Kandatsu, Hakkai..... Not shared a lift yet, other than with the person I am with on about half of those times. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Muika and Mrs Muika at Mt Bottomless, Minamiuonuma Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Not always. Joetsu Kokusai, Maiko, Iwappara, Ishiuchi, Gala, Kandatsu, Hakkai..... Not shared a lift yet, other thank with the person I am with on about half of those times. Actually when I went up to Kandatsu before Xmas, it was like that. I wish I could ride more mid-week, because the Yuzawa resorts where I usually go are just not busy. Last year at Kagura, late March (albeit after the quake)......it was like my own personal ski resort Link to post Share on other sites
HelperElfMissy 42 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Muika, http://www.ozpharmacyonline.com.au/popup_image.php?pID=7688&image=0 Link to post Share on other sites
pie-eater 207 Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 What difference does detachable or non detachable make? Detachable lifts run faster Let me elaborate. Ever had that *Sweet Jesus that chair almost cut me off at the knees, swoop like pick up*? Thats a non detachable or fixed lift. It goes up the mountain at the same speed that it picks you up and drops you off. However the nice slow quad that collects you demurely but rockets you up the mountain - that is detachable. It detaches from the high speed cables at pick up and drop off and just runs on the slower speed, then reattaches afterwards. Because it runs fast. It needs a safety bar. And it is best practice now since they have been constructing them. Naruhodo, so desu ne. Link to post Share on other sites
pie-eater 207 Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 This weeks footie on Jtelly SATURDAY Midnight: Chelsea vs Bolton 2:30am: Man Citeh vs Blackburn SUNDAY 10:30pm: Arsenal vs Spurs 10:30pm: Norwich vs Man Utd Link to post Share on other sites
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