Mantas 3 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 I doubt it GN. It seems to me like Japan is monocultural by design. Ethnic cleansing the polite way. A handful of examples in a nation of 120 mil??? From the article. “They can welcome me as a politician, but not as a leader,” says Tsurunen, who suggests that this may be the reason he has not been tapped for a ministerial post." Link to post Share on other sites
Go Native 70 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Baby steps Mantas. Link to post Share on other sites
Mantas 3 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 I respect the Japanese position even if I don't agree with it. Every sovereign nation has the right to decide who comes to reside within their borders and what the terms of that arrangement are. It's only when it's held up against a western model like the one we live in that it appears racist and discriminatory, to some of us that is. Personally, I would definitely want to be naturalized into a country that I intended to call my new home for the rest of my life. If you enjoy all the rights and privileges of a country then a sense obligation and commitment would come with it. They go hand in hand to my thinking and extend way beyond the local community level. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pie-eater 207 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Got to say that the Japanese way seems preferable to the mess that the UK finds itself in, which seems to be "Welcome, anyone. No qualifications, no English? Come this way!!!" Over summer, I don't think I'm exaggerating in saying that almost every waiter, waitress, hotel person, etc in places I visited were foreign. It was almost... alarming. Then you read about all the Brits on the dole and not working. Not wanting to work. There's something really screwed up there. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 yeah Britain is messed up. I'm all for immigration (being an immigrant myself!), but there has to be some modicum of control or else it ends up in the mess that The UK currently finds itself in.....perhaps a happy middle ground between Japan's way and the (broken)open door policy of the UK. Link to post Share on other sites
Mantas 3 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Over summer, I don't think I'm exaggerating in saying that almost every waiter, waitress, hotel person, etc in places I visited were foreign. It was almost... alarming. So if they hold a British passport are they still considered foreign? I find this fascinating. Australian is a nationality not a race. There simply is no one race of people called 'Australian' Japanese is both a nationality and a race. British ????? You tell me. Link to post Share on other sites
pie-eater 207 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 They don't hold a British passport. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Japanese is not a race....how exactly do u figure that? Link to post Share on other sites
Mantas 3 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 What??? I said Japanese is both a race and a nationality. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 "Japanese" is a nationality but they aren't a race of people.......they belong to the same sub-group of humans as other mainland asiatic people. There is no race of people called the British, French, Australian or Botswanan....these are nationalities. Link to post Share on other sites
Mantas 3 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Ok fair point. I wasn't thinking in scientific, anthropological terms, more social and political terms and people's perceptions. Link to post Share on other sites
BagOfCrisps 24 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Ok fair point. I wasn't thinking in scientific, anthropological terms, more social and political terms and people's perceptions. Are those long words just a smokescreen to hide the admitting you were wrong bit? Link to post Share on other sites
Mantas 3 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 or confused Link to post Share on other sites
r45 4 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Got to say that the Japanese way seems preferable to the mess that the UK finds itself in, which seems to be "Welcome, anyone. No qualifications, no English? Come this way!!!" Over summer, I don't think I'm exaggerating in saying that almost every waiter, waitress, hotel person, etc in places I visited were foreign. It was almost... alarming. Then you read about all the Brits on the dole and not working. Not wanting to work. There's something really screwed up there. what's the story there then? Not wanting to work? Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 lazy bastards Link to post Share on other sites
pie-eater 207 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 That. And the fact that lots of people just don't think it's worth the effort. They can live nearly as well off the state. Why work when you can get cash for doing sod all? Link to post Share on other sites
Go Native 70 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 How much is the dole for a single person out of work in the UK? And what is the minimum wage there? Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 the basic dole you get is about 80 quid a fortnight. But depending on your circumstances you can claim for various other benefits that bump that up Link to post Share on other sites
Slippery Jim 65 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Y9,500/fortnight ain't gonna pay for a lot of lift tix Link to post Share on other sites
pie-eater 207 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Neither does a wage that is the same/not much more. Link to post Share on other sites
scouser 4 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 It buys some fags, alcohol and fast food though. And enough for the occasional trip to the tattoo parlour as well. Link to post Share on other sites
NoFakie 45 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Lots of factors there Overgenerous welfare system from age where communities were strong and not working was shameful, so there was little deliberate unemployment. Lack of proper non-academic training for young people, leaving many unskilled. Lack of decent paying jobs for largely unskilled. Death of most manufacturing in UK. Post 1960s individualism leading to more selfishness (bohemian dole wallahs in bands etc.) and 1970s/80s recessions destroying stigma over being unemployed. The biggest scam now isn't the dole though. That Sunderland stud isn't on the dole. He's on disability. The never-ending get-more-money and don't-be-in-the-dole-numbers-in-the-paper dole. No-one seems to question of how a physically disabled man is fit enough to get so many women up the duff. Link to post Share on other sites
Mantas 3 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 If a disability pension is as easy to get as a disability parking permit then there's really no need to stay on the dole. It's like a career. Start out small with the basic dole, learn the ropes, get a few extras like hardship payments amd rent assistance then eventually work you way to a disability pension. If your 'disadvantaged' by having the wrong DNA or mentally challenged because your mother didn't feed you breast milk as a baby, then the skys the limit. Very harsh lot aren't we. Link to post Share on other sites
AET 0 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 So, it's like work then! How easy/hard is it to get such things in Japan? Link to post Share on other sites
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