Metabo Oyaji 71 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Originally Posted By: Chriselle Measured readings were too high. Originally Posted By: TheOrange But the jist also seemed to be that there was no agreement on what was 'safe' readings and what was not. Thanks. Since found it on the NHK website; looks like the local authorities have picked 0.25 uSv/h as the cut-off for sandboxes. Aiming to be conservative because little kids are apt to ingest sand and dirt. Interestingly, the national government has also lowered the target level for school yards from 3.8 uSv/h (which parents complained was too high) to 1 uSv/h. So some convergence happening, it seems. Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted August 25, 2011 Author Share Posted August 25, 2011 It would not be too soon. Link to post Share on other sites
grungy-gonads 54 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 What are the readings like in your part of the world Metabo? Link to post Share on other sites
Metabo Oyaji 71 Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Not that high. According to the city, it ranges from about 0.1 to 0.3 uSv/h, depending on location. Also lower than it was before rainy season, it seems; 6 weeks ago the max was about 0.5 uSv/h. Link to post Share on other sites
grungy-gonads 54 Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Good to hear Metabo. Shaking and wobbling getting less and less too? Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 http://www.japantoday.com/category/natio...ren-in-kanagawa not good news.....but don't worry little kiddies and your parents, its not enough to affect your health!! I'm glad I no longer work in Elementary schools, as I'd have been munching that beef myself Link to post Share on other sites
69 5 Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 And don't forget, they are very sorry. That more than makes up for it all. Link to post Share on other sites
Metabo Oyaji 71 Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Originally Posted By: grungy-gonads Good to hear Metabo. Shaking and wobbling getting less and less too? Seem to feel about one reeeally tiny one per day lately. How about everyone else? Link to post Share on other sites
brit-gob 9 Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Not many now here at all. Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted August 27, 2011 Author Share Posted August 27, 2011 Glad it has quitened down for you Metabo. Been away for a few weeks but havent felt any for a fair while myself. Lets hope it stays that way. Link to post Share on other sites
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Queen of Chiba 0 Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 That was on the local news in Chiba yesterday too I hear. Oh well, what can you do. Yous make your choice.... Link to post Share on other sites
tokabochi 9 Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Some kind of "oh no" Fukushima-related nasty stuff reading in Tokamachi apparently. They are investigating further. Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted August 30, 2011 Author Share Posted August 30, 2011 I saw that. They are doing tests here in Minamiuonuma as well the next few days. Link to post Share on other sites
Metabo Oyaji 71 Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Originally Posted By: tokabochi Some kind of "oh no" Fukushima-related nasty stuff reading in Tokamachi apparently. They are investigating further. Hmm, 27,000 Bq/kg of cesium accumulated in daycare center mud/sludge/leaves. If it were a rice paddy, you wouldn't be allowed to plant rice in it -- legal limit being 5,000 Bq/kg. And in Niigata! Have a feeling more little surprises like this are waiting out there. Link to post Share on other sites
tokabochi 9 Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 9 schools out of 33 showing higher than normal readings. Headmasters having meetings now to decide if any action is needed. Link to post Share on other sites
pie-eater 207 Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Is that a recent increase, or a case of only just finding out? Link to post Share on other sites
Curt 1 Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Friend sent me this, I believe from the Independent though I couldn't find it. Anyway. Why the Fukushima disaster is worse than Chernobyl Japan has been slow to admit the scale of the meltdown. But now the truth is coming out. David McNeill reports from Soma City Yoshio Ichida is recalling the worst day of his 53 years: 11 March, when the sea swallowed up his home and killed his friends. The Fukushima fisherman was in the bath when the huge quake hit and barely made it to the open sea in his boat in the 40 minutes before the 15-metre tsunami that followed. When he got back to port, his neighbourhood and nearly everything else was gone. "Nobody can remember anything like this," he says. Now living in a refugee centre in the ruined coastal city of Soma, Mr Ichida has mourned the 100 local fishermen killed in the disaster and is trying to rebuild his life with his colleagues. Every morning, they arrive at the ruined fisheries co-operative building in Soma port and prepare for work. Then they stare out at the irradiated sea, and wait. "Some day we know we'll be allowed to fish again. We all want to believe that." This nation has recovered from worse natural – and manmade – catastrophes. But it is the triple meltdown and its aftermath at the Fukushima nuclear power plant 40km down the coast from Soma that has elevated Japan into unknown, and unknowable, terrain. Across the northeast, millions of people are living with its consequences and searching for a consensus on a safe radiation level that does not exist. Experts give bewilderingly different assessments of its dangers. Some scientists say Fukushima is worse than the 1986 Chernobyl accident, with which it shares a maximum level-7 rating on the sliding scale of nuclear disasters. One of the most prominent of them is Dr Helen Caldicott, an Australian physician and long time anti-nuclear activist who warns of "horrors to come" in Fukushima. Chris Busby, a professor at the University of Ulster known for his alarmist views, generated controversy during a Japan visit last month when he said the disaster would result in more than 1 million deaths. "Fukushima is still boiling its radionuclides all over Japan," he said. "Chernobyl went up in one go. So Fukushima is worse." On the other side of the nuclear fence are the industry friendly scientists who insist that the crisis is under control and radiation levels are mostly safe. "I believe the government and Tokyo Electric Power [Tepco, the plant's operator] are doing their best," said Naoto Sekimura, vice-dean of the Graduate School of Engineering at the University of Tokyo. Mr Sekimura initially advised residents near the plant that a radioactive disaster was "unlikely" and that they should stay "calm", an assessment he has since had to reverse. Slowly, steadily, and often well behind the curve, the government has worsened its prognosis of the disaster. Last Friday, scientists affiliated with the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said the plant had released 15,000 terabecquerels of cancer-causing Cesium, equivalent to about 168 times the 1945 atomic bombing of Hiroshima, the event that ushered in the nuclear age. (Professor Busby says the release is at least 72,000 times worse than Hiroshima). Caught in a blizzard of often conflicting information, many Japanese instinctively grope for the beacons they know. Mr Ichida and his colleagues say they no longer trust the nuclear industry or the officials who assured them the Fukushima plant was safe. But they have faith in government radiation testing and believe they will soon be allowed back to sea. That's a mistake, say sceptics, who note a consistent pattern of official lying, foot-dragging and concealment. Last week, officials finally admitted something long argued by its critics: that thousands of people with homes near the crippled nuclear plant may not be able to return for a generation or more. "We can't rule out the possibility that there will be some areas where it will be hard for residents to return to their homes for a long time," said Yukio Edano, the government's top government spokesman. "We are very sorry." Last Friday, hundreds of former residents from Futaba and Okuma, the towns nearest the plant, were allowed to visit their homes – perhaps for the last time – to pick up belongings. Wearing masks and radiation suits, they drove through the 20km contaminated zone around the plant, where hundreds of animals have died and rotted in the sun, to find kitchens and living rooms partly reclaimed by nature. "It's hard to believe we ever lived here," one former resident told NHK. Several other areas northwest of the plant have become atomic ghost towns after being ordered to evacuate – too late, say many residents, who believe they absorbed dangerous quantities of radiation in the weeks after the accident. "We've no idea when we can come back," says Katsuzo Shoji, who farmed rice and cabbages and kept a small herd of cattle near Iitate, a picturesque village about 40km from the plant. Although it is outside the exclusion zone, the village's mountainous topography meant radiation, carried by wind and rain, lingered, poisoning crops, water and school playgrounds. The young, the wealthy, mothers and pregnant women left for Tokyo or elsewhere. Most of the remaining 6000 people have since evacuated, after the government accepted that safe radiation limits had been exceeded. Mr Shoji, 75, went from shock to rage, then despair when the government told him he would have to destroy his vegetables, kill his six cows and move with his wife Fumi, 73, to an apartment in Koriyama, about 20km away. "We've heard five, maybe 10 years but some say that's far too optimistic," he says, crying. "Maybe I'll be able to come home to die." He was given initial compensation of one million yen (£7,900) by Tepco, topped up with 350,000 yen from the government. It is the fate of people outside the evacuation zones, however, that causes the most bitter controversy. Parents in Fukushima City, 63km from the plant, have banded together to demand that the government do more to protect about 100,000 children. Schools have banned soccer and other outdoor sports. Windows are kept closed. "We've just been left to fend for ourselves," says Machiko Sato, a grandmother who lives in the city. "It makes me so angry." Many parents have already sent their children to live with relatives or friends hundreds of kilometres away. Some want the government to evacuate the entire two million population of Fukushima Prefecture. "They're demanding the right to be able to evacuate," says anti-nuclear activist Aileen Mioko Smith, who works with the parents. "In other words, if they evacuate they want the government to support them." So far, at least, the authorities say that is not necessary. The official line is that the accident at the plant is winding down and radiation levels outside of the exclusion zone and designated "hot spots" are safe. But many experts warn that the crisis is just beginning. Professor Tim Mousseau, a biological scientist who has spent more than a decade researching the genetic impact of radiation around Chernobyl, says he worries that many people in Fukushima are "burying their heads in the sand." His Chernobyl research concluded that biodiversity and the numbers of insects and spiders had shrunk inside the irradiated zone, and the bird population showed evidence of genetic defects, including smaller brain sizes. "The truth is that we don't have sufficient data to provide accurate information on the long-term impact," he says. "What we can say, though, is that there are very likely to be very significant long-term health impact from prolonged exposure." In Soma, Mr Ichida says all the talk about radiation is confusing. "All we want to do is get back to work. There are many different ways to die, and having nothing to do is one of them." Link to post Share on other sites
mina2 6 Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Originally Posted By: Metabo Oyaji Originally Posted By: tokabochi Some kind of "oh no" Fukushima-related nasty stuff reading in Tokamachi apparently. They are investigating further. Hmm, 27,000 Bq/kg of cesium accumulated in daycare center mud/sludge/leaves. If it were a rice paddy, you wouldn't be allowed to plant rice in it -- legal limit being 5,000 Bq/kg. And in Niigata! Have a feeling more little surprises like this are waiting out there. Or surprises that are a bit bigger than small. Link to post Share on other sites
JellyBelly 1 Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 This is what Yomiuri has: The Yomiuri Shimbun Soil at 34 spots in six Fukushima Prefecture municipalities has been contaminated with levels of radioactive cesium higher than the standard used for forcible evacuations after the Chernobyl disaster, it has been learned. According to a soil contamination map submitted at a study meeting of the Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology Ministry, six municipalities recorded more than 1.48 million becquerels of cesium 137 per square meter--the standard used for forced resettlement after the 1986 Chernobyl accident. The 34 spots are in no-entry and expanded evacuation zones around the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant, which was crippled by the March 11 earthquake and tsunami. The data reinforces comments outgoing Prime Minister Naoto Kan made Saturday. "There's a possibility that residents of some areas will be unable to [return and] live there for a long period of time," he said. According to the survey, the six municipalities were Okumamachi, Futabamachi, Namiemachi, Tomiokamachi, Iitatemura and Minami-Soma. The ministry checked soil contamination levels in about 2,200 locations around the nuclear plant. The spot with the highest concentration of cesium 137 as of June 14--about 15.45 million becquerels per square meter--was in Okumamachi, a town in the heart of the no-entry zone. When levels of cesium 134 were added to the measurement, the level of the two radioactive isotopes reached about 29.46 million becquerels at that location. More than 3 million becquerels of cesium 137 were detected in 16 locations in Okumamachi, Futabamachi, Namiemachi and Tomiokamachi. The highly contaminated spots extend northwest from the nuclear plant. The survey was conducted to pinpoint levels of radiation exposure by residents in municipalities around the plant. Link to post Share on other sites
mina2 6 Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Akagi lake, popular for fishing, not opening because of contamination...... (Gunma) Link to post Share on other sites
grungy-gonads 54 Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 My oh my the stories are coming out now arent they..... Link to post Share on other sites
snowboard 0 Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Yep getting trickles of news from parts of Gunma like that. Link to post Share on other sites
Tubby Beaver 209 Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 shit.......I wonder how many other areas will be in the same boat?? Any info I've seen about Kanagawa has said that levels were not detectable.....wonder how true that actually is!! Link to post Share on other sites
Metabo Oyaji 71 Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Originally Posted By: mina2 Originally Posted By: Metabo Oyaji Have a feeling more little surprises like this are waiting out there. Or surprises that are a bit bigger than small. Yes. Link to post Share on other sites
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