Go Native 70 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Ok there appears to have been some confusion over the use of the term 'bottomless' when referring to skiing/boarding. I think it would be good if we all got on the same page in it's usage. First off bottomless does not refer to snow depth. It's an adjective to describe turns in unconsolidated powder snow where you can't feel the consolidated base at the bottom. If your edges are biting into the base on a turn then it is not bottomless. For me true bottomless turns are about the best feeling you can have skiing. The turns seem effortless as you just float down through the powder. Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmer 2 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 What else would it be!? Link to post Share on other sites
RobBright 35 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 bottomless to me refers to boarding on powder, where it feels like you're floating along. Link to post Share on other sites
spook 0 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 it's that insanely weird yet euphoric feelng of floatinf. when it's proper deep it's hard to judge your speed as you fly along without anything beneath you Link to post Share on other sites
TJ OZ 0 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 bot·tom·less    /ˈbɒtəmlɪs/ Show Spelled[bot-uhm-lis] Show IPA –adjective 1. lacking a bottom. 2. immeasurably deep. 3. unfathomable; mysterious: a bottomless problem. 4. without bounds; unlimited: He seems to have a bottomless supply of money. 5. without basis, cause, or reason: a bottomless accusation. 6. nude or nearly nude below as well as above the waist: bottomless dancers. 7. featuring bottomless entertainers: a bottomless club. How to use on the Snowjapan.com forum Fresh tracks and bottomless pow today. Standard reply No you didn't Retort Sorry I thought I did but I must be mistaken. I will refer to this thread in the future to ensure my bottomless is in fact bottomless. Reply Yeah You better. Link to post Share on other sites
RobBright 35 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Originally Posted By: TJ OZ 7. featuring bottomless entertainers: a bottomless club. SO their legs are connected directly to their abdomen? Link to post Share on other sites
BagOfCrisps 24 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Bullshit about it and prepare to be exposed. Simple really. Link to post Share on other sites
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TJ OZ 0 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Originally Posted By: BagOfCrisps Bullshit about it and prepare to be exposed. Simple really. lost in translation Link to post Share on other sites
TJ OZ 0 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Originally Posted By: BagOfCrisps Happy to drink the beer though Link to post Share on other sites
BagOfCrisps 24 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Never mind. Just keep "Riding the White Horse, and Living the Dream" Link to post Share on other sites
RobBright 35 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 really? Link to post Share on other sites
TJ OZ 0 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Originally Posted By: BagOfCrisps Never mind. Just keep "Riding the White Horse, and Living the Dream" You betcha Link to post Share on other sites
SKI 15 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 You pretty much said it, Go Native. Link to post Share on other sites
SnowJapan Admin SnowJapan 178 Posted February 22, 2010 SnowJapan Admin Share Posted February 22, 2010 Here's the deal. If we get one more post baiting this subject once more - and you know exactly what I mean - we will ban the member who posts it. Sarcastic comments and comebacks included. Forever. No questions asked. I do not care who it is. Absolutely fed up with it. Grow up please. Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites
SnowJapan Admin SnowJapan 178 Posted February 22, 2010 SnowJapan Admin Share Posted February 22, 2010 By the way that does not mean that the topic is not ok. It is fine Link to post Share on other sites
Yuki's Passion 1 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Originally Posted By: Go Native Ok there appears to have been some confusion over the use of the term 'bottomless' when referring to skiing/boarding. I think it would be good if we all got on the same page in it's usage. First off bottomless does not refer to snow depth. It's an adjective to describe turns in unconsolidated powder snow where you can't feel the consolidated base at the bottom. If your edges are biting into the base on a turn then it is not bottomless. For me true bottomless turns are about the best feeling you can have skiing. The turns seem effortless as you just float down through the powder. yup, it definitely varies between boarders/skiers too. This weekend wasnt bottomless, but it was FKNA good!! Link to post Share on other sites
TJ OZ 0 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Bottomless is bottomless and that is why I live here and what I live for as do many on this forum. Good times for all. I am blessed to live in this environment. Sorry to all those living in the grind. You choose your life. Link to post Share on other sites
Go Native 70 Posted February 22, 2010 Author Share Posted February 22, 2010 The point of me posting this definition was certainly not stimulate further debate but to quell it. Dictionary definitions of bottomless do not refer to it's use as an adjective for powder snow so are useless. I posted this so those who are unfamiliar with the term can understand it and so we stop the endless 'well what it means to me is...' confusion out there. In the world of winter sports this is the universally accepted definition of bottomless powder. Of course I understand that for those who haven't been to Hokkaido it is unlikely you've truly ever experienced bottomless powder and have twisted the definition to suit the lesser conditions you're used to Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Pow 52 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 My 2 yen If you're not at least nip deep for at least 3 consecutive turns, with the snow billowing over your head forcing you to hold your breath, then as far as I'm concerned you haven't come close to bottomless. Link to post Share on other sites
Tex 3 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Originally Posted By: Go Native Ok there appears to have been some confusion over the use of the term 'bottomless' when referring to skiing/boarding. I think it would be good if we all got on the same page in it's usage. First off bottomless does not refer to snow depth. It's an adjective to describe turns in unconsolidated powder snow where you can't feel the consolidated base at the bottom. If your edges are biting into the base on a turn then it is not bottomless. For me true bottomless turns are about the best feeling you can have skiing. The turns seem effortless as you just float down through the powder. I agree, but this definition would also be a function of speed and radius of turn as it relates to a snowboarding. An addendum: if you can't get up when you fall over, it is probably bottomless Link to post Share on other sites
mikelowry 0 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 If you ski deep powder ( as defined by Go Native ) , with no shirt on, is one to be described as "Going topless through the bottomless' ? Link to post Share on other sites
Davo 1 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Just means not hitting crust or ice layer I reckon- that could be bollocks deep, knee deep or less. If your starting point is in the high alpine then chest deep is likely to be a bit much and knee deep or less will do just fine. Link to post Share on other sites
sanjo 2 Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Basically not hitting ice/crust but when I hear it I feel waist deep is being implied. Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 0 Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Originally Posted By: Go Native Ok there appears to have been some confusion over the use of the term 'bottomless' when referring to skiing/boarding. I think it would be good if we all got on the same page in it's usage. First off bottomless does not refer to snow depth. It's an adjective to describe turns in unconsolidated powder snow where you can't feel the consolidated base at the bottom. If your edges are biting into the base on a turn then it is not bottomless. For me true bottomless turns are about the best feeling you can have skiing. The turns seem effortless as you just float down through the powder. Thanks for clearing that up GN. Thats exactly the meaning of the word that I was using last week and some people may have misinterpreted me. You can have knee or shin deep bottomless and conversely have waist deep blower that isn't bottomless. Anyway glad we're all cleared up on that one Link to post Share on other sites
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