Jynxx 4 Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 OK, some things aren't correct so I want to clarify. The Japanese Kanji is adopted from the Chinese but the average number used in daily life (writing, newspaper, etc) is a lot less than in China. Japanese year 6 is supposed to have learnt 1056 or something about that number of Kanji, but it requires triple that amount to read a newspaper. The before WW2 generation used a more complex writing style, more traditional Chinese, but the current Kanji is simplified (This it true in China, too). My dad would write Kanji and use the following Hiragana differently than I learnt at school. As for the meaning it is similar. In high school, we had a subject called Kan-Bun (meaning Kanji- sentence, or more correctly, Kan ( as a period China was called in the past) -literature) and we read original Chinese text, assisted by little 1,2,return symbols written in so we can read it in orderly Japanese. We have no idea how it is pronounced correctly in Chinese, (and it is pronounced differently in different parts of China) but it could be read in Japanese and meaning understood. So, if I want to read a 5000 year old text Chinese medicine text or poetry, there is no major problem. That would have been what was done in the past in Japan. We have adopted the character that has meaning - only the sound is different. As for the Kanji we do not have and use in Japan, we have to learn them. Hiragana is Japanese ladies invention- coming from the relaxed writing form of the woman's hand. Artistic in it's own right. Katakana is part of the kanji. Both have no meaning associated with, and are used to describe sound. Like the alphabet. Link to post Share on other sites
Metabo Oyaji 71 Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 Originally Posted By: Ryoma Difference between Chinese and Japanese is similar to English and French. It's possible to grasp the general meaning in the written language but it's bothersome. While it is true that an English-speaker can often get a general idea of what is being conveyed in many other European languages just from the cognates, it can be hard to understand detailed instructions such as, "No parking between hours of X and Y on weekdays." I have been told the same is true for Chinese visitors to Japan, which can lead to unnecessary problems and frictions. Quote: While it's more considerate to write signs in Chinese, I haven't really met any non-Japanese guests who don't speak even a little English. I suspect that is likely to change if a wider spectrum of visitors starts coming to Japan. Quote: I think English is a convenient middle ground. Well, I just thought that if they are going to go to the trouble of redoing all the signage, it seems a small effort to add that extra bit of thoughtfulness. Also creates a more international atmosphere, which they seem to be aiming for. Link to post Share on other sites
Thundercat 60 Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 Yeah, I seem to recall at Zao that all the signs are in Japanese, Chinese, Korean and English. Very thoughtful. Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted February 15, 2010 Author Share Posted February 15, 2010 Yes they are. Curious that accommodation doesn't seem to have caught up in that respect. I'm trying to find somewhere now and finding somewhere that does something other than a very traditional Japanese style evening meal is difficult! Link to post Share on other sites
Thundercat 60 Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Have you tried the Lodge Scole in Zao? Its listed on this site. The dinner there was like chicken and potatoes and stuff... seemed pretty good. Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted February 15, 2010 Author Share Posted February 15, 2010 Yes, thanks BM - time I wanted not available. More a general comment. Anyway I think we got somewhere.. Link to post Share on other sites
dyna8800 3 Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Originally Posted By: muikabochi Yes they are. Curious that accommodation doesn't seem to have caught up in that respect. I'm trying to find somewhere now and finding somewhere that does something other than a very traditional Japanese style evening meal is difficult! Actually, some of the best Japanese minshuku/ryokan meals I have eaten have been at Zao... Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted February 15, 2010 Author Share Posted February 15, 2010 I do not doubt that they are great.... if you like that kind of food. Trouble is, I don't! Wish I did, but I don't. Link to post Share on other sites
dyna8800 3 Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 I think we ate shabu shabu...is that too "Japanese"? Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted February 15, 2010 Author Share Posted February 15, 2010 I don't want shabushabu. Anyway pick away at my comments all you want dyna, still doesn't get away from the fact that there is a lack of choice for someone who doesn't like a Japanese style set meal in whatever form. Certainly compared to everywhere else I have been. That's all. Link to post Share on other sites
dyna8800 3 Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Sorry, wasn't picking, but trying to find someplace good for you! Minshuku that I stay at frequently in Izu will make steak upon request instead of their sashimi and traditional Japanese food. Bye, then!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Thundercat 60 Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Too bad Muika, Mao is a sweet heart (and hot too!) Link to post Share on other sites
muikabochi 208 Posted February 16, 2010 Author Share Posted February 16, 2010 I'm not sure muikabochess would be too interested in that! Link to post Share on other sites
MrSingh 0 Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 Ryoma, thanks for all the info about Nozawa Onsen. Nozawa Onsen might not have the best snow (compared to Hokkaido), but overall, my friends and I unanimously agree that it's the best resort in all of Japan. Keep up the good work and we hope to keep supporting the local economy in the years to come. Let the ski patrol staff know that it's the forbidden areas that keep us coming back year after year. Link to post Share on other sites
grungy-gonads 54 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Yes Nozawa is a fine place. Link to post Share on other sites
firetruck 0 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 I think one of the big differences which resorts can do nothing about is the fact that there are simply so many 'other' things to do now than there were 20 years ago. So much choice that simply wasn't there back then. Link to post Share on other sites
tripler 0 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 what kind of "other" things? Link to post Share on other sites
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s3phis 0 Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 I'm sure they existed 20 years ago Link to post Share on other sites
RobBright 35 Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 Nope they didn't. Link to post Share on other sites
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